"Evil thrives when good men do nothing" gotta put a stop to this
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Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say
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#62The repeated attacks, heavy immigration of refugees...I'm hoping for the best, but I feel like there is a powder keg here. Whether or not it is based in any fact, how this is handled and plays out is a serious concern.
I believe that France didn't open its borders to this wave of refugees/migrants but I could be mistaken since I don't follow the news this closely.
What do you mean by that? The border between France and neighboring nations is always open.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Reworded to avoid offence (hopefully): deaths are not irrelevant, but their exact precise number is irrelevant. What matters is the scale of the security failure, compounded by the fact that they suffered a similar one less than a year ago and they were currently on high-alert (because they've only just started bombing Syria). The knowledge that a network could carry out such a widespread and well-coordinated attack…
It's relevant to the families and friends of those killed.
Yes, I agree. Immense tragedy and I fear the numbers will go up before this is over.
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#64The repeated attacks, heavy immigration of refugees...I'm hoping for the best, but I feel like there is a powder keg here. Whether or not it is based in any fact, how this is handled and plays out is a serious concern.
How many refugee camps does France have? Let me answer you: 0 Refugees are victims of the war. If they wanted to involve violence, they would not be refugees looking for home. Why to see them as potential terrorists ?
That's not true, France does have refugee camps.
Re: Paris Shootings and Explosions Kill Over 100, Police Say
#65The repeated attacks, heavy immigration of refugees...I'm hoping for the best, but I feel like there is a powder keg here. Whether or not it is based in any fact, how this is handled and plays out is a serious concern.
What do people think the refugees were running away from? Exactly these people.
Not European but travelling in Asia at the moment. Have had a couple of discussions with run-of-the-mill Europeans concerned that the refugees areproportionally made up much more of young men than women/children with the implication that these guys are up to no good. I'd say the subtleties of the humanitarian crisis is going to be lost on the average European Joe in the wake of this
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Reworded to avoid offence (hopefully): deaths are not irrelevant, but their exact precise number is irrelevant. What matters is the scale of the security failure, compounded by the fact that they suffered a similar one less than a year ago and they were currently on high-alert (because they've only just started bombing Syria). The knowledge that a network could carry out such a widespread and well-coordinated attack…
> Basically, the French security system has been revealed as completely ineffective. As an aside, strong suveillance laws were voted earlier this year. https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&pr...
Exactly. Fat lot of good it did to them. Clearly the whole approach is simply wrong.
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#67I've seen a lot of HNers suggesting that we must over react and ramp up the war on terrorism. I'm all for cutting off immigration, but how will ramping up the wars do us any good? I don't see how another ten years "fixing" things is going to work.
How will cutting off immigration do anything? I think it's important to realize that this is something that happens and that you don't necessarily have to do anything. If you get a cold, you don't quarantine your block and divert your life savings to rhinovirus research, you just deal with it and try and take sensible precautions about hygiene.
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#68"Evil thrives when good men do nothing" gotta put a stop to this
What should be done? Bomb the hell out of the Syrians? Surely they have suffered enough. Iraq III? Maybe this time.... maybe.... Send the ground troops into Saudi? Quatar? Acknowledging that some of ISIS / Al-Qaeda gripes do have some merit, stop interfering in other countries affairs, stop propping up dictators because they are "our" dictator. Something else? Unfortunately for the Syrians, my money is on bomb the he…
Well we can either change foreign policy and start a long road to trying to repair the damage done, bomb more, start another ineffective war, or somehow get the blessing of Russia and bring the full weight of the (actually fully committed and mobilized) western world down on Isis and everyone else who fucks with us.
Now obviously option 1 is probably the best approach, option 2 is the most likely, and option 4 is the one that is appealing in the wake of hundreds of innocent people dying.
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#70I've seen a lot of HNers suggesting that we must over react and ramp up the war on terrorism. I'm all for cutting off immigration, but how will ramping up the wars do us any good? I don't see how another ten years "fixing" things is going to work.
It won't.
The discussion needs to turn to how can people defend themselves. How 10/20/30 people trapped in a theater CAN overwhelm 3 attackers. How these people will not be willing to spare you no matter how cooperative you are or how sympathetic you are.
If you can't flight, fight.