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Tattoo parlors. Strip clubs. Hole-in-the-wall liquor stores. Pull-tab joints. Attended laundromats (people who live in bad neighborhoods don't have their own washers and dryers, and ones that are inside apartment buildings tend to get vandalized/broken into).
What's a pull-tab joint?
How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops
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Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops
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We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10392481 and marked it off-topic.
Fair enough. But how is it substantially different from the current comment in its place? "myth_buster 6 hours ago Poor on average take worse care of their health and fitness I think it can be primarily attributed to the low income jobs being more physically and emotionally draining which result in them being sapped by the time they reach home. This can also be witnessed in the amount of nurture they can provide to t…
The comparison should be between entire subthreads, though, not just their root comments.
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He's literally using fried chicken as an extremely thinly veiled way of measuring the number of black people in an area. This is a good article on why "fried chicken" when paired with other things can be racist. [1] Since "up and coming" is basically code for gentrifying, it shouldn't be that hard to see why this is actually racist. [1] http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/02/heres-wh...
He's literally not. Your article says that fried chicken is racist because people keep assuming that black people eat fried chicken. And here you are assuming that when someone says "fried chicken" they actually mean "black people". You're doing exactly what the article you linked is condemning.
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What's a pull-tab joint?
I imagine liquor stores that sell pull-tabs. I'm unaware of stores dedicated to selling pull-tabs but there are a lot of corner liquor stores that are more or less frequented by people purchasing pull-tabs and cigarettes more than anything else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pull-tab
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In addition to the people working multiple part time minimum wage jobs to get by, there are other time costs associated with being poor. Poor often don't have a personal vehicle, so many hours per week can be spent on a bus, bike, or walking, especially in places with less public transport. Now the following probably doesn't apply to poor in cities, where you often have amenities in easy walking distance, but in the…
If your theory were true, the poor should have less leisure time than the non-poor. Yet according to the ATUS, they don't. I'll break down why your theories are wrong. Most poor people don't work at all, and many of those who do are only part time. So this idea of "multiple part time minimum wage jobs" applies only to a very small number of people. http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/a-profile-of-the-working... 74% o…
As to your second point, I'm sorry, but I simply don't have the time to do the proper research on that one. You may be correct. I was primarily basing on anecdotal evidence from what I've seen and experienced in my local area. The statistics may also not be as clear as one would think. As I said, in my area, someone at twice the poverty level would still struggle to get by, and in many cities, I expect it is significantly more. At the same time, in many rural or semi-rural areas, housing costs become a much smaller factor, which leaves more room for things like a vehicle. Looking at the poor based on the amount of income, without looking at circumstances at an almost individual level is a difficult prospect.
I will also say that it is easy to overlook things that go from a non-issue to a time and effort consuming problem when lack of resources is involved. Lack of transportation or a washer were just two examples that came to mind. Also note that if 74% of poor households have a vehicle, that means 26% do not. That is a fairly significant number, in my eyes.
Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops
#306Where did you get the data on coffee shops and chicken shops from?
I've just realised that this wasn't a `Show HN` so the submitter and the author may well be different people. I've left a comment on the medium article. The reason I ask is that I recently purchased a house in Manchester and as part of that collected as much data as possible on things like crime stats, walking time to nearest reailway station, cycling time to work, etc. I didn't get data on coffee or chicken shops. I…
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Yeah, looking at the Google maps location of chicken shops in Peckham brings up only about half the shops that are actually there.
Not sure where the data for the article came from, but I'd guess that there is some interesting socioeconomic skewing around the type of business and whether it can be readily found on Google maps or Yelp, since much of the data is crowdsourced.
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>the original poster gives a reason he thinks poor people don't exercise (because they are working too hard) The original poster did not claim that. The poster claimed that they would be restricted in how much energy could be expended elsewhere due to the amount energy expended acquiring income. >behaviors and attitudes that encourage poverty Such as? I'm not sure lazy and sloppy are really behaviors or attitudes. Th…
But I'm white, speak English, was born to a middle class family that valued education, and sit in the air conditioning all day for work. I'm clearly a hard worker. Now the guy who cuts my lawn? He was born in another country, came from a family that didn't value education or even speak English, and his office is 100 degrees in the summer here. He's clearly lazy.
I'm center/right wing also but coming from a poor neighborhood I know that things are not so clear as you say. It takes an _huge_ effort to get out from that way of life specially when you are younger. I was lucky to have a family that value learning but I know that it was a minority there. Most school friends at the time didn't have ANY books at home and their parents didn't care about that.
Yes, some people are lazy. Yes, most people are proud ignorants. But the surrounding culture took them there. Among rich families there are lazy people also but their 'infrastructure' simplifies a lot their life. e.g. Rich people can afford to hire people to help them with chores so they have more time for themselves. Poor people can't so their chores start to accumulate and everything around them seems sloppy.. to complicate the situation they are used to it once most people around them do the same.
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If your theory were true, the poor should have less leisure time than the non-poor. Yet according to the ATUS, they don't. I'll break down why your theories are wrong. Most poor people don't work at all, and many of those who do are only part time. So this idea of "multiple part time minimum wage jobs" applies only to a very small number of people. http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/cps/a-profile-of-the-working... 74% o…
Your first link is talking about a more specific group of people than I was referring to. It references about 7% of the population, people working at least half of the year who are below the poverty line. The 2013 poverty line was $11,490 for individuals, $23,550 for a family of four. I'd consider twice that to still be poor by any reasonable definition. In my area (around Atlantic City, New Jersey) you'd be lucky to…
$47,100 is poor? If so, then basically the entire world is poor. The only nations in the world with a median family income (adjusted for cost of living) higher than $47,100 are Luxemborg, Norway and Sweden.
I don't find this definition remotely reasonable.
Anyway, your anecdotal evidence seems to be leading you astray. The actual stats show a) the poor have more free time for exercise or TV watching, b) they prefer TV watching to exercise, c) they don't have a job and d) when they do have a job they don't have a long commute (see table 4-24 in my AHS link).
What evidence, if any, would convince you that your theories about the lifestyle of the poor are wrong?
Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops
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I imagine liquor stores that sell pull-tabs. I'm unaware of stores dedicated to selling pull-tabs but there are a lot of corner liquor stores that are more or less frequented by people purchasing pull-tabs and cigarettes more than anything else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pull-tab
There are indeed dedicated stores for selling them in some areas. It probably varies by state.
I've never seen any in California, but the gist holds true. It's a good indicator that it is a poor part of town.