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How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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You seem pretty angry about the fact that some people work in restaurants and some people go jogging in the morning.

You clearly exhibit lack of empathy, a common trait of a psychopath.

> You clearly exhibit lack of empathy, a common trait of a psychopath.

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Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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While not necessarily "excuse making", the original poster gives a reason he thinks poor people don't exercise (because they are working too hard). I believe, in general, the reasons poor people don't exercise are not that at all, but results from the same types of behaviors and attitudes that encourage poverty. I'm not assigning cause necessarily... I agree when you say the problem is likely often cultural. People f…

Woah, I think you're way off here. All class systems are a result of how you're raised. Raise a "poor" person in a rich family and they will be smarter, more healthy, etc. Likewise take a rich baby and put it in a poor family and watch it's environment mold it. Humans in general are striking similar physically. We are all homo-sapiens. It's almost entirely nurture, it was sad to read your comment because to deny that…

> It's almost entirely nurture

It might depend on what variables you're referring to, but according to some famous studies done on identical twins separated at birth; intelligence and personality are about 70% genetic and 30% environment. While these studies conclusively suggest that it's actually 'almost entirely nature', I agree that the potential 30% disadvantage is something that can and should be fixed.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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I think you mean black people

No African American is perfectly fine.

The first sentence of the article begins "Whilst searching for a flat in London..."

I'm pretty sure that African American is not perfectly fine in this particular context.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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post #64

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Pawnshops, payday loan services, barber shops... And pubs closed down, because it is too dangerous for them to operate. Also signs on restaurants "Customer only toilets"

Bars on the windows and doors.

Or windows that have been completely bricked up.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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post #212

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While not necessarily "excuse making", the original poster gives a reason he thinks poor people don't exercise (because they are working too hard). I believe, in general, the reasons poor people don't exercise are not that at all, but results from the same types of behaviors and attitudes that encourage poverty. I'm not assigning cause necessarily... I agree when you say the problem is likely often cultural. People f…

>the original poster gives a reason he thinks poor people don't exercise (because they are working too hard) The original poster did not claim that. The poster claimed that they would be restricted in how much energy could be expended elsewhere due to the amount energy expended acquiring income. >behaviors and attitudes that encourage poverty Such as? I'm not sure lazy and sloppy are really behaviors or attitudes. Th…

But I'm white, speak English, was born to a middle class family that valued education, and sit in the air conditioning all day for work. I'm clearly a hard worker. Now the guy who cuts my lawn? He was born in another country, came from a family that didn't value education or even speak English, and his office is 100 degrees in the summer here. He's clearly lazy.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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So besides "chicken shops" which must be a regional indicator for poor or undesirable what other establishments are also present? There should be an obvious transition type of business that precedes the coffee shop. Combined with chicken shops perhaps the availability of different businesses could give entrepreneurs an indicator where to set up similar or buy up space?

Pawnshops, payday loan services, barber shops... And pubs closed down, because it is too dangerous for them to operate. Also signs on restaurants "Customer only toilets"

Tattoo parlors. Strip clubs. Hole-in-the-wall liquor stores. Pull-tab joints. Attended laundromats (people who live in bad neighborhoods don't have their own washers and dryers, and ones that are inside apartment buildings tend to get vandalized/broken into).

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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post #254

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Is that group still called "African Americans" when they are born and raised in England?

Sorry, I meant British African Americans

Is this genuinely something that someone would say in America, or are you just making a tongue-in-cheek remark?

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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post #75

This analysis would be tremendously racist in America.

It's plenty 'racist' here in the UK (at least under the left-wing redefinition of the word racist as any mention of race at all). Chicken shops and jerk chicken are associated with the African-Caribbean population. All he's done with his analysis is used two thinly disguised proxy variables to hide his true hypothesis, which may very well be a good hypothesis but is unpalatable to discuss in public.

Even under your redefinition of racist, the article isn't racist. The author doesn't make any mention of race at all. Anybody correlating food and drink with a skin colour is projecting their own racist connotations.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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post #24

"Not many outlets selling fried chicken"... in Peckham?? I'm not sure the authors data is all that accurate.

Yeah, the data looks full of gaps. Can't believe there's none in Mitcham/Morden/Wimbledon either.

The other issue is that the house prices start rising long before the fried chicken franchisees' leases expire and get taken over by fair trade coffee shops, artisanal bakeries and cereal bars. My street has two of the latter three, a real ale pub, a weekly "organic farmer's market" and a Waitrose but the pawnshops are still there.

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