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How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by mesozoic »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #201
mesozoic wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just started using MSG at home are you saying it will eventually stop making everything taste better?

Could any of you please tell what's MSG?

Monosodium glutamate you can get it in a powder like salt. It is a seasoning that provides "the essence of flavor" or umami flavoring which makes lots of bland stuff taste way better without necessarily having lots of salt. Some claim it is bad for the health or causes MSG symptom complex with an array of common conditions like headaches but there's little to no scientific evidence that this isn't psychosomatic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosodium_glutamate

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by jqm »

Retra wrote: post #165
jqm wrote: post #139

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It could be that, but it could also be a general approach towards life. Certainly people are born into poor circumstances and have many misfortunes. At the same time some people (for whatever reason) are just lazy, sloppy and don't take care of their lives. This approach likely produces both poverty and poor health and almost certainly entails lack of exercise. We can't excuse every bad thing that happens as an event…

Who's making excuses? Poor people often come from poor cultures -- ones that don't place value on things like jogging in the morning. That's just a fact, it isn't an excuse or a statement about personal control. And we, as a society, have the ability to influence both individual behavior and culture, so it doesn't even matter which one you want to assign blame to.

While not necessarily "excuse making", the original poster gives a reason he thinks poor people don't exercise (because they are working too hard). I believe, in general, the reasons poor people don't exercise are not that at all, but results from the same types of behaviors and attitudes that encourage poverty.

I'm not assigning cause necessarily... I agree when you say the problem is likely often cultural. People from different cultures or with different metabolisms certainly have an easier/harder time dealing with certain things in life. But until attitudes and behaviors change (by whatever means), the facts on the ground stay the same. Very rarely is outcome 100% happenstance.

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Post by mariodiana »

analyst74 wrote: post #143

He seems to be measuring current housing prices, but if his goal is to measure "up and coming" areas, shouldn't he try to correlate between ratio of fried chicken vs coffee shops in PREVIOUS years, and change of prices in the following years?

I'm thinking that coffee shops are not a leading indicator, which is what he should be looking for. I have no idea what would be leading indicator for up and coming neighborhoods though.

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Post by Zergy »

djtriptych wrote: post #183
rockmeamedee wrote: post #142

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I don't think it would be. Yes, the basis for the hypothesis is fried chicken -> black people and craft coffee -> white hipsters. But that's actually what happens with gentrification. Diverse neighbourhoods get plowed over with rich white people. Using race in an analysis doesn't make it racist. OP saying they wouldn't want to live in the places with fried chicken, in the context above (KFC->black people) would be. I…

Ask a black person if that sounds racist to them. Or does that not matter?

Doesn't matter. A particular group doesn't get to define racism for the rest of the population.

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Post by BossHogg »

djtriptych wrote: post #183
rockmeamedee wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it would be. Yes, the basis for the hypothesis is fried chicken -> black people and craft coffee -> white hipsters. But that's actually what happens with gentrification. Diverse neighbourhoods get plowed over with rich white people. Using race in an analysis doesn't make it racist. OP saying they wouldn't want to live in the places with fried chicken, in the context above (KFC->black people) would be. I…

Ask a black person if that sounds racist to them. Or does that not matter?

Have their opinions ever really mattered to the "majority?" Any clear thinking person looking at history (both distant and recent) would conclude mostly no.

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Post by BossHogg »

programmernews3 wrote: post #118
300bps wrote: post #35

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Stereotype of African Americans is that they eat a lot of fried chicken so essentially this report would imply it is African Americans that make for a bad neighborhood.

I think you mean black people

No African American is perfectly fine.

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Post by EMRo »

I would love to build/use an app that generates RE investment market suggestions based on some of the datapoints you're mentioning. Maybe see if there's some way to automate the analysis of socioeconomic status of the neighborhood with the distribution of various types of businesses and then map price/price delta over time. Might be some cool data in there. Re racism comments...kinda.

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Post by hammock »

rubidium wrote: post #111
smikhanov wrote: post #41

A more interesting indicator that authors may consider is how many people living in the area do jogging. When I moved to London's SE4 postcode three years ago (it's pretty close to Peckham, FWIW), the regeneration of the area has just started and the more middle-class looking people appeared around, the more men and women in running gear were visible in the streets in the morning. Poor on average take worse care of t…

I took this post as more of an exercise in data science. Data on jogging per neighborhood is a bit harder to find then coffee and chicken places.

Not necessarily.

http://popupcity.net/mapping-new-york-citys-runnability/

http://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-most-popular-running-routes-vi...

http://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#6/-120.90000/38.36000/blue/r...

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Post by OrwellianChild »

Igglyboo wrote: post #208
discardorama wrote: post #195

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Why not try a backtest? Pick a point in time (say, Jan 1, 2011). Pick another data point (say, Jan 1 2015). See which variables explain the rise in house prices the best?

Because past behavior is not indicative of future behavior.

If the prediction works forward, it should be backward predictive too... That's not a sufficient condition, but it is necessary to validate the predictive power, provided assumptions haven't changed in the time period being tested.
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