Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan • Hacker News Board

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by exstudent2 » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 6:00 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #113

Karunamon wrote: post #106

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Here's a few: http://deepfreeze.it ( exhaustively sourced list of complaints against game journalists and information on the movement as a whole) http://techraptor.com (games news site, spawned in the wake of gamergate) http://escapistmagazine.com (games news site, updated ethics policies after initial complaints, allows open discussion on the forums)

DeepFreeze.it repeats the lies about Zoe Quinn. http://www.deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=monster > The overwhelming majority of their coverage consists solely of reprinting verbatim the anecdotal and often unverified accounts from controversial figures who directly profit from being considered targets of harassment — Zoe Quinn being a good example. > Often described as an indie developer, Quinn has produced very little…

That site seems to document all of this stuff. Which parts are lies?

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by wisty » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 6:02 PM UTC

comrh wrote: post #38

benihana wrote: post #23

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I think what people tend to get upset about is having their opinions dismissed and smugly described as a harassment campaign. Both sides of that stupid gamergate fiasco had legitimate complaints and both sides had assholes who harassed the other side. I mean it's pretty easy to see what camp you fall into, and you're basically ascribing a very shallow set of beliefs to an entire group of people - the exact same thing…

So some research and it is easy to see the beginning of the GG movement was mainly a force to harass people like Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian.

Yes, it was probably partly backlash against the way skepticism of feminism is treated by much of the media as either heresy or misogyny.

And with everything that happens online, there's thousands of people on either side, throwing mud at a small number of targets. An internet famous person gets treated like a politician or celebrity, without the benefits (and without necessarily having signed up to it).

And as with anything 4chan gets involved in, there was some pretty nasty trolling.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by ijktdot » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 6:03 PM UTC

Jasper_ wrote: post #58

It's weird, because 2channel recently had a big user exodus. A lot of users used desktop clients. Those were banned in a push to monetize. As a result, a lot of 2ch users started lots of 2ch replacement subreddits, the largest being newsokur: https://www.reddit.com/r/newsokur

The exodus was from the Kenmou board who refused affiliate marketing on their board they claimed was data mining their IPs. The desktop clients weren't banned, just really old browsers they were using were no longer supported due to new methods of embedding ads. A lot of them used legacy browsers like this one which is no longer in development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazehakase

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by jnbiche » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 6:04 PM UTC

fjxjduxich wrote: post #67

shubhamjain wrote: post #61

A few days ago, an article was posted how WhatsApp has scaled to nearly a billion users and is still running with only 50 engineers. Isn't running 4chan more impressive feat being run, if I am not wrong, by just one engineer, and that too from a time when web development tools weren't anywhere close to what we have today.

I wasn't aware that they made a Fundamentals of Engineering certification exam for web developers.

First, just as a point of fact, WhatsApp is mostly mobile development and network engineering messaging systems, not web development. Disciplines that one would normally classify under "software engineering".

Second, you appear to be confusing Fundamentals of Engineering exams and Principles of Engineering exams. There is no Fundamentals of Engineering exam for any engineering discipline, including structural, electrical, etc. Only the PE exam focuses on individual disciplines. FE is for...fundamentals.

Finally, and ironically, they do in fact make a Principles of Engineering certification exam for software engineers[1]. It's been offered for almost 5 years now. As of last year, the majority of states offered the exam and license software engineers just as they do other engineering candidates.

1. http://ncees.org/about-ncees/news/ncees-introduces-pe-exam-f...

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by mushtifaha » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 6:05 PM UTC

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #156

mushtifaha wrote: post #152

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This is what I was referring to. Your statement reads like a religious dogma. There is no argument, no proof, no room for nuance. Just an axiom, which should be taken at face value and assimilated into one's set of beliefs. And this is something GG does very often. They build entire mythologies about the movement to paint the movement as some sort of a bogeyman. I think this is beneficial to gamergate. The opponents,…

> This is what I was referring to. Your statement reads like a religious dogma. There is no argument there, no proof, no room for nuance. Just an axiom, which should be taken at face value and assimilated into one's set of beliefs. No proof? http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Timeline_of_GamerGate#August_20... These links might be helpful to you. As with any Internet discussion, not every point may be immediately substanti…

Heh, this site offers as much "proof", as those shady news sites no one has ever heard of which pro-Russian internet trolls use to "prove" that there's no Russian invasion in Eastern Ukraine.

The parallels between the techniques employed by the anti-GG/SJW crowd and those of the Russian state propaganda are uncanny.

Strange times we live in.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by exstudent2 » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 6:11 PM UTC

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #166

dvdcxn wrote: post #153

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You missed the bit where her sex life revealed serious examples of cronyism.

You missed the part where that was a complete fabrication. Zoe Quinn didn't sleep with game reviewers, and even if she did, those supposed articles never materialised.

Here's Kotaku EIC Stephen Totilo admitting to Kotaku's ethical failures re: GamerGate.

https://archive.is/4Tp9N#selection-7679.0-7679.603

He's downplaying it but the failures to disclose personal ties DID exist in many cases. He also references other ethical failings from Kotaku. None of this would have come to light without GamerGate. They regularly make references to pre-existing relationships now.

Note that this is a pretty important statement from Totilo but he makes it in the form of a comment. Many in GamerGate did appreciate him taking some form of responsibility though.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Lawtonfogle » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 6:12 PM UTC

JohnBooty wrote: post #108

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #99

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Either origin matters more than current composition or it doesn't.

That's just silly. Of course 100 years of action matter more than 1 year of action.

It gives further evidence to any claim they have changed, but that is only relevant if you are doubting their claim to not be what they were accused of being (if they ever even were that to begin with).

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by danielweber » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 6:13 PM UTC

ceedan wrote: post #122

krapp wrote: post #104

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Still, there has to be some some value in having "Creator and administrator of 4Chan" on one's resume.

Most HR people would see that, be disgusted and throw the resume in the trash. 4chan does not have a good reputation amongst internet laymen. Maybe some of the more savvy HR people would be more impressed by the implied technical aspects of accomplishing such a thing, though.

He only needs one.

As someone who says the hell away from 4chan, I still say he did impressive work. Probably not going to be hired by Walt Disney, but there's a lot of other places out there.

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 6:17 PM UTC

mushtifaha wrote: post #175

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is what I was referring to. Your statement reads like a religious dogma. There is no argument there, no proof, no room for nuance. Just an axiom, which should be taken at face value and assimilated into one's set of beliefs. No proof? http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Timeline_of_GamerGate#August_20... These links might be helpful to you. As with any Internet discussion, not every point may be immediately substanti…

Heh, this site offers as much "proof", as those shady news sites no one has ever heard of which pro-Russian internet trolls use to "prove" that there's no Russian invasion in Eastern Ukraine. The parallels between the techniques employed by the anti-GG/SJW crowd and those of the Russian state propaganda are uncanny. Strange times we live in.

If you consider this bad, wait until you see what "proof" gamergate offers.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by mahyarm » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 6:18 PM UTC

VLM wrote: post #84

dvdcxn wrote: post #37

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Look past the media slant and you will find one of the last true bad lands of the internet, mired in post irony, where speech is free and each poster's opinion is as equally without value as another. Where unpopular opinions are given as much weight as popular ones (i.e. barely any). Its equal parts a utopia and a cesspool. Without it, there would be no such thing as "internet culture".

As a practical example, /out/ and /diy/ are two of the only places on the internet where you can get useful information about gear. Everything else is tainted by ad money. When the competition is 99% pimping and astroturfing for advertisers, being 10% useful and only 90% noise makes /out/ about ten times as information dense as any other place on the internet. This is why people who don't read or agree with /pol/ non…

So how would the reddit equivalents of /out or /fit compare for example. I don't really see a lot of advertiser banning for example. Is it because there is more moderation in those communities?