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Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Karunamon »

DanBC wrote: post #113
Karunamon wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a few: http://deepfreeze.it ( exhaustively sourced list of complaints against game journalists and information on the movement as a whole) http://techraptor.com (games news site, spawned in the wake of gamergate) http://escapistmagazine.com (games news site, updated ethics policies after initial complaints, allows open discussion on the forums)

DeepFreeze.it repeats the lies about Zoe Quinn. http://www.deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=monster > The overwhelming majority of their coverage consists solely of reprinting verbatim the anecdotal and often unverified accounts from controversial figures who directly profit from being considered targets of harassment — Zoe Quinn being a good example. > Often described as an indie developer, Quinn has produced very little…

Wait, what? Did you click through any of the links on those pages you cite? In the very fist example you mention, every bit of that is substantiated via an archive link. Quinn's game is unpolished garbage as revied, Kuchera did contribute financially to her, and Hernandez is friends with her and did write about her without disclosing that.

Those are not lies, or even misleading in the least. They are all trivially verifiable facts. All the sources are right there.

I'll go through the others if you wish, but I'd ask you to examine the evidence and point out problems with it before just dismissing it as lies. Heck, I might learn something here.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by ceedan »

krapp wrote: post #104
austenallred wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He raised money in the past. The company failed. He was living with his parents for a while, trying to figure out what to do. http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/4chans-overlord...

Still, there has to be some some value in having "Creator and administrator of 4Chan" on one's resume.

Most HR people would see that, be disgusted and throw the resume in the trash. 4chan does not have a good reputation amongst internet laymen.

Maybe some of the more savvy HR people would be more impressed by the implied technical aspects of accomplishing such a thing, though.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by icebraining »

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #94
icebraining wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Karunamon above, defending GG, says it started out as an harassment campaign. Is it wrong?

I'm sure there are a few civil rights movements that had some nasty issues when they started out. Do we judge based on where one came from or who one is now?

I think I was clear in that I wasn't talking about isolated incidents. comrh wrote "the beginning of the GG movement was mainly a force to harass people", and Karunamon - who has also been defending GG on this thread - agreed.

If a civil rights movement had started for the purpose of doing unacceptable acts, I would definitively judge the people who chose to associate with it. (Of course, I'd excuse a lot from a civil rights movement that I wouldn't excuse from a movement dedicated to fighting bad gaming journalism - regardless of the merits of their claims.)

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by talmand »

arpstick wrote: post #76
pervycreeper wrote: post #33

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Puts this quote in a new light: >He is one of few individuals with a deep understanding of what it means to provide a digital home for tens of millions of people for more than a decade. There is nobody more qualified than Hiroyuki to lead 4chan, and I can't think of a person better suited for the task.

The Japanese government payed him to take down politically sensitive posts on 2channel[1]. He's probably the worst person to put in charge of a community according those who were subjected to him in the past. [1] http://www.anonymous-japan.org/fake2ch/

Seems to me a number of the highly visited communities are going down this path.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by DanBC »

Karunamon wrote: post #121
DanBC wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DeepFreeze.it repeats the lies about Zoe Quinn. http://www.deepfreeze.it/article.php?a=monster > The overwhelming majority of their coverage consists solely of reprinting verbatim the anecdotal and often unverified accounts from controversial figures who directly profit from being considered targets of harassment — Zoe Quinn being a good example. > Often described as an indie developer, Quinn has produced very little…

Wait, what? Did you click through any of the links on those pages you cite? In the very fist example you mention, every bit of that is substantiated via an archive link. Quinn's game is unpolished garbage as revied, Kuchera did contribute financially to her, and Hernandez is friends with her and did write about her without disclosing that. Those are not lies, or even misleading in the least. They are all trivially ve…

When I do it it's networking and growth hacking.

When she does it she's a dirty whore, cheating on her partner and exploiting and manipulating men. (and whether actually did this or not is irrelevant, we're going to keep saying she did and supporting that with total bullshit).

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Kapura »

ceedan wrote: post #118
halviti wrote: post #47

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Your statement makes the assumption that paying bills is the goal.

"Your statement makes the assumption that paying bills is the goal." Sure seems like it is, since -- you know -- he just sold 4chan. Thanks for your cute little contrarian comment, though. It was very stimulating.

moot stated that his reasons for leaving 4chan this year have to do with the personal stress of managing such a volatile community, especially with the vitriol of the gamergaters holing up on the boards. For the previous 12 years he wasn't making very much money and at one point he took on tens of thousands of dollars of debt to keep the site operational.

Whether or not he's making money with the sale now is beyond the point; he clearly wasn't running 4chan as a monetary venture.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

dvdcxn wrote: post #119
comrh wrote: post #38

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So some research and it is easy to see the beginning of the GG movement was mainly a force to harass people like Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian.

Calling it harassment is a huge discredit to a movement that holds very valid criticisms of both these people. Edit: I should qualify this. Both sides of the issue have their shitshows distorting the debate with harassment and dirty tactics. At its core gamergate is a conflict between cultural authoritarians and libertarians. It is just the beginning of a wider issue, the old guard of the internet, those that believe…

Death and rape threats are not 'valid criticism'.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Torgo »

dvdcxn wrote: post #116
savanaly wrote: post #78

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Don't confuse "4chan" with /b/ or /pol/. There is a lot to be proud of in 4chan.

The fact that boards like /pol/ and /b/ exist alongside genuinely brilliant places like /out/, /mu/, /n/, etc is a miracle to take pride in itself

It is not a coincidence, /pol/ is flypaper to keep those people out of the other boards.
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