Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan • Hacker News Board

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Karunamon » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 3:46 PM UTC

comrh wrote: post #38

benihana wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think what people tend to get upset about is having their opinions dismissed and smugly described as a harassment campaign. Both sides of that stupid gamergate fiasco had legitimate complaints and both sides had assholes who harassed the other side. I mean it's pretty easy to see what camp you fall into, and you're basically ascribing a very shallow set of beliefs to an entire group of people - the exact same thing…

So some research and it is easy to see the beginning of the GG movement was mainly a force to harass people like Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian.

The start of it, sure. This is all public record at this point.

Judging what exists now by what existed over a year ago is hardly fair. People who actually harass people are now loudly shouted down wherever they're seen doing it.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Karunamon » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 3:49 PM UTC

brador wrote: post #39

austenallred wrote: post #17

I feel bad for moot. He'll probably be known for the rest of his life for creating a cesspool he never made much money from.

> he never made much money from You believe that? Dude banked on both the sale and takeover, plus the ad revenue when he was running the site. He had no alternative but to push the poverty myth (Kevin Rose@Digg also did this). Can you imagine what the users would do if he disclosed how much he was raking in? My guess? $10 million n/w post sale, most likely much more.

What ad revenue? 4chan has always had a huge problem attracting advertisers due to the ahem nature of its content.

I could imagine that he made some serious bank on the sale, but the site has always has run at a net loss.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 3:49 PM UTC

brador wrote: post #39

austenallred wrote: post #17

I feel bad for moot. He'll probably be known for the rest of his life for creating a cesspool he never made much money from.

> he never made much money from You believe that? Dude banked on both the sale and takeover, plus the ad revenue when he was running the site. He had no alternative but to push the poverty myth (Kevin Rose@Digg also did this). Can you imagine what the users would do if he disclosed how much he was raking in? My guess? $10 million n/w post sale, most likely much more.

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Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by mushtifaha » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 3:49 PM UTC

robin_reala wrote: post #29

mushtifaha wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the thinly-disguised harassment campaign I am not convinced that repeating a lie a thousand times will make this claim the truth. The propaganda may have worked well back when gamergate was completely unknown to the general public, but we are past that, I think.

You’re partially right at least. It’s now a completely undisguised harassment campaign.

It is being continuosly harassed by people who claim they are fighting harassment, that's for sure. But I don't think that such strategy is going to pay off. You can't just yell harassment as means to abuse people into submission. Many have tried similar tactics in the past and it never works in the long run.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Cakez0r » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 3:49 PM UTC

brador wrote: post #39

austenallred wrote: post #17

I feel bad for moot. He'll probably be known for the rest of his life for creating a cesspool he never made much money from.

> he never made much money from You believe that? Dude banked on both the sale and takeover, plus the ad revenue when he was running the site. He had no alternative but to push the poverty myth (Kevin Rose@Digg also did this). Can you imagine what the users would do if he disclosed how much he was raking in? My guess? $10 million n/w post sale, most likely much more.

> Can you imagine what the users would do if he disclosed how much he was raking in?

Probably nothing worse than they've already done

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by ceedan » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 3:50 PM UTC

Cakez0r wrote: post #18

austenallred wrote: post #17

I feel bad for moot. He'll probably be known for the rest of his life for creating a cesspool he never made much money from.

4chan has shaped internet culture for better and for worse. I think that to have created something so influential is an achievement to be proud of.

Pride doesn't pay bills

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by halviti » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 3:53 PM UTC

ceedan wrote: post #46

Cakez0r wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4chan has shaped internet culture for better and for worse. I think that to have created something so influential is an achievement to be proud of.

Pride doesn't pay bills

Your statement makes the assumption that paying bills is the goal.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by pervycreeper » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 3:54 PM UTC

brador wrote: post #39

austenallred wrote: post #17

I feel bad for moot. He'll probably be known for the rest of his life for creating a cesspool he never made much money from.

> he never made much money from You believe that? Dude banked on both the sale and takeover, plus the ad revenue when he was running the site. He had no alternative but to push the poverty myth (Kevin Rose@Digg also did this). Can you imagine what the users would do if he disclosed how much he was raking in? My guess? $10 million n/w post sale, most likely much more.

>My guess? $10 million n/w post sale, most likely much more.

Any particular reasoning behind that guess?

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by Vaskivo » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 3:55 PM UTC

mda wrote: post #22

tomasien wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree. 4chan is great and important. It shaped the Internet we know today in so many great ways, and in a few cautionary ways as well. Moot should be proud.

I am curious, could you think of some examples of the great ways it influenced the internet?

Not all of it was "great", but definitevely left their mark on the internet and in society:

Of the top of my head:

- The thousands of memes, from rickrolling to rage comics.

- Dusty the cat

- Project Chanology

- Gamergate

- The Fappening

- Karen, the school bus monitor

- Snakes on a Plane (movie), Cave Story (game) and many others became highly successfull after becoming viral in 4chan.

- Risk of Rain (game), Engine Heart (tabletop rpg) are commercial products that were created by anons with the help of 4chan.

- Many other free quality media being created, from videogames (Katawa Shoujo), to tabletop rpgs (Adeptus Evangelion), wargames, comics, music, etc. [0]

- 9001 lulz/day

[0] I would know more, but I mostly browse /tg/ and /v/ related boards.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Post by igreulich » Mon, Sep 21, 2015, 3:56 PM UTC

Karunamon wrote: post #32

robin_reala wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re partially right at least. It’s now a completely undisguised harassment campaign.

Yeah, no. People claiming "harassment!" absent evidence is not proof of said harassment existing, doubly so when the people shouting the loudest have a profit motive for its supposed existence. Also: It would be rather disingenuous to claim that gamergate are a bunch of harassers without acknowledging that prominent people within the movement have received things like syringes and knives in the mail... and been black…

Perception is reality. And it seems the perception is that Gahergate is a group of harrasors. You (not you personally) saying it is not will not change that perception.

It seems to me that if you want Gamegate to be taken seriously (though I think it is way to late for that) Gamergate needs to start cleaning out it ranks.

Which highlights the real issue. Gamergate has no central entity. So there are going to be people harrassing under the banner of Gamergate, and you can’t do anything about it. The name is tarnished, full stop. It will be almost impossible for Gamergate to do any good now, assuming it ever wanted to good!