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Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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> Quinn's game is unpolished garbage as revied The fact some gamergaters don't like Quinn's game doesn't make it "garbage". It's not a traditional game. That doesn't mean that rating it highly is somehow a violation of ethics. The idea that Quinn somehow used personal connections to get literally tens of thousands of people to highly rate her game violates Occam's razor.

Tens of thousands, involved in a scheme? No, of course not, and I have no doubt that a lot of people liked it. That was a subjective judgement on my part - I think it's low effort nonsense. Here's the thing - would those tens of thousands of people have seen it in the first place if Hernandez hadn't talked up her friend on Kotaku? Would that niche of a title have wound up on the site at all if not for the personal co…

> I think it's low effort nonsense.

Have you ever actually made a video game yourself, or written a piece of literature? Do you appreciate the effort this actually takes?

> Here's the thing - would those tens of thousands of people have seen it in the first place if Hernandez hadn't talked up her friend on Kotaku?

Sure. For one thing, Quinn had at least that many Twitter followers. It's a game, also, that covers mental illness, which isn't a frequent topic. On that novelty alone, it was likely to get some attention regardless of who Quinn's friends were.

> Would that niche of a title have wound up on the site at all if not for the personal connection between those two?

There's a good chance it would. Depression Quest was novel. Kotaku likes showcasing novel and interesting things.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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I'm clearly asking for some names. You're avoiding the question. who are the "leaders of the movement"?

Well, one example would be Milo Yiannopoulos. A journalist with a murky past (screwing over staff working under him) and who, prior to joining gamergate, actively mocked video gamers.

Interesting - I hadn't heard of him. The wiki page certainly seems to back up the claim regarding his contempt for gamers.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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I was talking about what he will be known for (which is pretty much /b/ and /pol/), not what 4chan is. That's a much different conversation, and not exactly black or white.

Is /pol/ really that noticeable from outside 4chan? I've been a 4channer for a long time, and only recently I've been noticing /pol/.

Reddit's worldnews?

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Hiroyuki Nishimura the previous administrator of 2ch.net sold the user data of 2channel users and he was fired by Jim, who happens to be the host of 8ch.net. Sweet sweet irony.

moot making sure his users are looked after. Nice.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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He was sole founder, but allegedly had shadow investors. Sale/takeover - Similar sites that sold, Reddit, myspace ($35m), Digg. 4chans value to particular buyers, potential with a pivot/reculture. It's a smoking hot site for PR if you can fool/fake the users, and right now it's election time. What would you say 4chan is maximally worth to the buyer who can extract the most value from it? I can see someone dropping $4…

digg sold for $500k?

That was the cash, excluding equity.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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post #147

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Except for a long time it was the movement as a whole. The is why people don't take it seriously, because last year the group stood for picking apart of game dev's sex life.

You missed the bit where her sex life revealed serious examples of cronyism.

You missed the part where that was a complete fabrication. Zoe Quinn didn't sleep with game reviewers, and even if she did, those supposed articles never materialised.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Death and rape threats are not 'valid criticism'.

You have fallen into the same trap as both sides in taking the radicals behaviour as typical of the movement as a whole. Well done, you are why we cant have nice things.

> You have fallen into the same trap as both sides in taking the radicals behaviour as typical of the movement as a whole.

That would require the radicals to not be the entire movement.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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Except for a long time it was the movement as a whole. The is why people don't take it seriously, because last year the group stood for picking apart of game dev's sex life.

You missed the bit where her sex life revealed serious examples of cronyism.

The "examples" that were wholly false from the jump, the ones that depend on things that can be empirically demonstrated to not exist? Those ones?

I've met Quinn a few times and I don't personally care for her, but the monstrous behavior of the children afraid that the games that sell bonkers numbers of copies will go away forever because a few feminists criticize them is so incredibly evil (while also managing to be so, so stupid) that I can only laugh.

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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I'm sure there are a few civil rights movements that had some nasty issues when they started out. Do we judge based on where one came from or who one is now?

I think I was clear in that I wasn't talking about isolated incidents. comrh wrote "the beginning of the GG movement was mainly a force to harass people" , and Karunamon - who has also been defending GG on this thread - agreed. If a civil rights movement had started for the purpose of doing unacceptable acts, I would definitively judge the people who chose to associate with it. (Of course, I'd excuse a lot from a civ…

>Karunamon - who has also been defending GG on this thread - agreed.

I'm not sure why Karunamon agreed, but I largely passed on this point because that is an argument that would only distract from the overall point. I would assume Karunamon wanted to not get mired down in that point as well.

From what I have seen, I would say that it was not founded for that purpose, but there have been bad actors who have been a part of it.

>Of course, I'd excuse a lot from a civil rights movement that I wouldn't excuse from a movement dedicated to fighting bad gaming journalism

What are some behaviors you would excuse from one but not the other?

Re: Hiroyuki Nishimura, founder of 2channel, has taken ownership of 4chan

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If you think that's social justice, then the KKK aren't even racist. Are you sure about that statement?

I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about.

4chan has an extremely non-SJW tilt. I wouldn't be surprised if the SJW term itself originated there as a pejorative.

The site's founder, moot, had to cut all ties with the site as it turned into an angry mob. It's no longer a fun and happy place, there's an undercurrent of hate, fear, and misogyny.

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