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Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

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Somewhat off topic perhaps, but what exactly does therapy do? Has anyone here had therapy? If so, can they explain how talking to a psychologist cures a medical condition? Is it significantly different from talking to a priest or a faith healer?

> Is it significantly different from talking to a priest or a faith healer? * Faith healers are priests aren't trained in the myriad forms of double blind tested, peer reviewed techniques that can be used to help manage or reduce stress and emotional pain. * Therapists don't just listen. They talk. They make suggestions - ranging from everything from common sense things that may have more weight because they are comi…

Well, lawstudent2, I think you read more into my question than I intended. I really was, and still am, not sure what therapy is, and what makes it different from talking to someone else whose job it is to listen to your complaints and make you feel better, such as a priest.

You may complain about ignorance, but most people don't visit a therapist, I don't know why you assume everyone should be familiar with it. And then, what kind of therapy is based on science and what isn't? People refer to the treatment from their psychoanalyst, their regression therapist, their hypnotherapist, their chiropractor as therapy too, and these are no more science based than a priest.

Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

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> Is it significantly different from talking to a priest or a faith healer? * Faith healers are priests aren't trained in the myriad forms of double blind tested, peer reviewed techniques that can be used to help manage or reduce stress and emotional pain. * Therapists don't just listen. They talk. They make suggestions - ranging from everything from common sense things that may have more weight because they are comi…

Well, lawstudent2, I think you read more into my question than I intended. I really was, and still am, not sure what therapy is, and what makes it different from talking to someone else whose job it is to listen to your complaints and make you feel better, such as a priest. You may complain about ignorance, but most people don't visit a therapist, I don't know why you assume everyone should be familiar with it. And t…

You could have looked for evidence before asking your dismissive question.

Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

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You know that the USA also has mandatory consultation before Layoffs (redundancy) - in some ways more onerous as the penalties are harder.

Even in the rare cases the law applies, the maximum penalty is two month's pay minus whatever severance/notice was given. It's not much of a restriction.

Its far more than the UK has - recently one big multinational artificially made a uk subsidiary bankrupt to avoid paying statutory redundancy. The taxpayer picked up the bill for that one.

They just herded every one into a big room and said "company is bust - there is a pile of the RB2 forms over there"

Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

#334

Looking at this story (the wider Amazon story) it seems to me a lot of the value is getting extracted from employees in a sort of creeping way. So you might go to an interview where the manager says there's pager duty now and again, but it's not too intense. You get on the job, and it's a whole lot more intense than expected. You can't leave because you've just turned down a bunch of other offers and moved towns. You…

"There's no recourse for this, and management knows it"

Of course there is, I'd argue. Maybe not a direct one, though. I'm sure you've noticed the large amount of articles about these sorts of practices at Amazon. It might not have a huge impact, but if it is indeed true, then people are wisening up to what's going on there.

Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

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Tell me, if it was your money being invested, would you act differently?

Yes, this is a classic example of a skew risk. Cheap out, don't hire anyone, and you'll probably save money. But your company is at risk of collapsing if you get an event you hadn't planned for. Reputation can vanish fast if you have an IT problem and customers can't get their stuff. And of course this will never, ever come up in your case studies as a recurring risk, because you're encouraged to read everything as a…

"Cheap out, don't hire anyone, and you'll probably save money. But your company is at risk of collapsing if you get an event you hadn't planned for. Reputation can vanish fast if you have an IT problem and customers can't get their stuff."

Are you implying that Bezos and Amazon's investors are just dumb and don't think about the long term implications of their hiring practices?

You can always short Amazon's stock if you're that confident.

Maybe they did think about it all, and reached the conclusion that this culture and hiring practices will have a better return on the long term.

It is far too easy to say what other people should do with their money...

Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

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Tell me, if it was your money being invested, would you act differently?

Yes, because I think about profit more than one or two quarters down the road.

Are you saying that Bezos doesn't?

And if your management strategy is better than just hiring cheap, open a company and you'll win on the long term.

Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

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Sure, but what's a reward without a challenge?

A sane and healthy lifestyle. Do you have Stockholm Syndrome?

Bullshit. Reward without challenge is the fast-track to complacency and feelings of entitlement.

When this is done to a child it's called "spoiling" them - for good reason.

Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

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oncall and support are instant turnaways? How do you get employed in IT?

By working at a place that recognises a need for these tasks and hires specifically for them!

So you're saying a company should have full time workers who ONLY monitor a specific system, separate from its day-to-day maintenance?

Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

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Something that I was impressed by when I interviewed at my current job was not just that the company said that they value work-life balance, but that they demonstrated it: they pay time-and-a-half for overtime specifically in order to dissuade management from ever having us work overtime. And in the year I've been here we've had one period where we could optionally work overtime, but we've had no mandatory overtime.…

What company? What country?

https://www.pair.com/ in the US

Re: My husband needed therapy after working for Amazon

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A sane and healthy lifestyle. Do you have Stockholm Syndrome?

Bullshit. Reward without challenge is the fast-track to complacency and feelings of entitlement. When this is done to a child it's called "spoiling" them - for good reason.

I'm sorry someone hurt you.
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