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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by dwaltrip »

ctrlp wrote: post #345
Jeema101 wrote: post #306

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It ends when half a million+ people per year (in the US anyway) aren't dying of a preventable disease - not to mention probably millions more suffering long term effects. I see a familiar pattern with sentiments like this: showing lots of hand-wringing over civil liberties, but seemingly no concern over all the people who have died and who have been incapacitated. Those people had a right to not be exposed to a deadl…

I also see a familiar pattern with sentiments like yours. There is little to no concern for people whose livelihoods or psychological health were harmed by health policies that prioritize the vulnerable minority over everyone else, including children. Health policy diktats aimed at saving every life will inevitably harm many in subtle and not-so-subtle ways. Will the cumulative harms ever be counted? Not likely as it…

This is why the vaccine is great. It vastly helps end the pandemic, while the worst thing 99.99% of people will experience from the vaccine is feeling sick for a day or so at most.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by mbfg »

coryfklein wrote: post #899
sterlind wrote: post #876

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> We don't have a COVID problem, we have a health problem. Has the government been encouraging people to take vitamin D, get fresh air, exercise, and get to a healthy weight? The rhetoric has been sit down and get the jab. I'm disabled and it's not my fault. I'm a healthy weight, I have a vegetarian diet high in vegetables, I do my rehab exercises every day and see the doctor frequently. And yet my condition is progr…

Would you advocate for government mandates on everyone else for your sole benefit? Or do you feel that you're a representative sample of the high-risk group?

i certainly would. If me getting a vaccine helps this person, a bigger win.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by mbfg »

moistrobot wrote: post #857
jasonlaramburu wrote: post #845

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>Has the government been encouraging people to take vitamin D, get fresh air, exercise, and get to a healthy weight? The government has been advocating for exercise and general health for decades. Despite this, we remain one of the least fit countries in the world. If the government cannot convince someone to take a safe, free shot that might save their lives, how can you reasonably expect them to convince someone to…

Because obesity will kill them. That's the message that's not being said in a COVID context. Healthy at every size is one of the biggest health lies in America

if i'm fat, my fat won't jump onto you and kill you.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by billyhoffman »

moistrobot wrote: post #833
kbos87 wrote: post #754

The number of comments here that fall back on some sort of a slippery slope argument, based in a worry about government overreach, is really disheartening. If COVID has proven anything in the US, it's how little control the federal government actually has. They've barely been able to enforce mask mandates. The slippery slope argument doesn't hold water here. I think we can look at the facts - 700,000 people dead, hos…

> The number of comments here that fall back on some sort of a slippery slope argument, based in a worry about government overreach, is really disheartening. If COVID has proven anything in the US, it's how little control the federal government actually has. They've barely been able to enforce mask mandates. This is by design. We don't want a strong federal government. > The slippery slope argument doesn't hold water…

> except the pro-choice people seem to overlap heavily with the pro-mandate people. I don't think you can logically hold both of those positions

It’s about how your personal choices impact other people. To be deliberately shocking to help show why these are different:

You can’t cough on me and give me an abortion. I can’t choose to have an abortion and that creates a super spreader event that gives everyone around me an abortion.

You can choose not to get vaccinated, be an asymptomatic spreader, and pass Covid on to other people. Your choice of taking the vaccine or not taking the vaccine can impact lots of people, and even hasten their death.

Societies have various laws that prohibit certain choices you make that can have a negative impact on others. For example see drunk driving, or someones choice to use speech to inflame a riot. Where those lines are drawn, or should be drawn, can certainly be up for debate. Reasonable people can disgree

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by landemva »

steverb wrote: post #259
dadoge wrote: post #226

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Let me guess, seat belt mandates are also “authoritarian”? What about measles vaccine requirements? Have you complained about those recently? Believe it or not, there was a time when measles wasn’t a thing and very few question the need for a measles vaccine now. What about the broad polio vaccine rollout? Vaccine hesitancy has been a thing, but never this strongly along party lines

You're forgetting about driver's licenses, pilots licenses, cosmetology licenses, ID requirements and searches to fly on a plane, having to be over 21 to buy alcohol and tobacco, selective service, income taxes, property taxes, traffic laws, building codes...

Most of those examples do not apply to persons who are not engaged in commerce.

21+ to buy products should be 18. At some age children become adults.

Study the personal income tax and you will find it is primarily enforced through your employer. If each of us had to save and write a check there would be little compliance.

For non-commercial property, if the property is not cataloged by county assessor, it doesn't get taxed. Dig in on this bit and be amazed.

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Post by UncleMeat »

furgooswft13 wrote: post #919
thenanyu wrote: post #907

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There are many government mandates for the benefit of disabled people. We generally think this is ok.

Which of those mandates require other people to lose their jobs for not getting a chemical injection?

You can get weekly tests.

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Post by landemva »

tomrod wrote: post #602
peteradio wrote: post #511

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> Anti-vaccination enthusiasts k

More specifically, herd immunity is necessary for people who cannot receive the vaccine to be protected. These types of folks are often the immunocompromised. Herd immunity kicks in when the proportion of folks with sufficient antibodies is high enough, formally modeled as H >= 1 - 1/R_0, where H is the herd immunity level and R_0 is the average rate of cases caused per each case. R_0 (or more appropriately R_t) is d…

Does your herd immunity include vaccinating the herds of deer and cats which also carry and transmit?

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Post by landemva »

InitialLastName wrote: post #447
Cederfjard wrote: post #314

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What permanent changes are you envisioning?

Not the GP, but I'd love if employers would enact policies that enabled and encouraged their employees to stay home when they get sick. Covid tore through my office early on because someone felt he had to come in and get work done despite being sick. It tore through my office, killing two people and hospitalizing multiple others, definitely costing more productivity than we gained by the one person coming in to work.

Stay home when sick has been a very good result from this mess.

I hoped the 'stay seated until your row is called' when exiting aircraft would stay in place. The selfish people reverted to rushing the aisles.

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Post by maxlybbert »

a_conservative wrote: post #884
xur17 wrote: post #829

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I'm curious - of the folks that have not gotten vaccinated, do we have an idea of how many haven't gotten it because they strongly do not want to get it, and how many haven't gotten it for other less strong reasons (inability to get time off work, mixed signals from social media, etc)?

For me personally, it's decreased general trust. I don't see the establishment as having a lot of credibility at this point. Bad smells that make me distrust: Changing definitions of the word vaccine, so that the Covid 19 injections can be considered a vaccine. It becoming impermissible to question the vaccine. If you tell me there isn't room to doubt, then my response to you is bullshit. I've been a skeptic my entir…

It’s amusing how last year people said they couldn’t trust any vaccine approved by the FDA while Trump was president and running for re-election. Now those same people believe those same vaccines will save the world, not because the FDA released more data or that additional studies have proven the vaccines more effective than they were last year, but because there’s a new president.

If your idea of “trust the science” starts and ends with “who’s in the White House?” you have a different definition of “science” than I do.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by landemva »

sauwan wrote: post #809
Madmallard wrote: post #795

Why should people with natural immunity after having contracted covid be required to be vaccinated? That doesn't make sense. They have better immunity than the vaccinated. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...

How do you prove you have natural immunity? Because it's not always clear whether you have natural immunity, even with bloodwork. Is it antibodies, t-cells, or some other mechanism that's providing immunity? What if we test for one thing and are wrong? The immune system is a complex thing.

Assuming we can trust doctors, you get a letter from your doctor. I mean a medical doctor, not a fake doctor working in a medical establishment like Fauci's wife has been pretending. Note how she has the first spot under the 'meet our doctors' heading which is misleading because she is not a medical doctor like others in the list. https://clinicalcenter.nih.gov/meet-our-doctors/cgrady.html
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