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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

moistrobot wrote: post #833
kbos87 wrote: post #754

The number of comments here that fall back on some sort of a slippery slope argument, based in a worry about government overreach, is really disheartening. If COVID has proven anything in the US, it's how little control the federal government actually has. They've barely been able to enforce mask mandates. The slippery slope argument doesn't hold water here. I think we can look at the facts - 700,000 people dead, hos…

> The number of comments here that fall back on some sort of a slippery slope argument, based in a worry about government overreach, is really disheartening. If COVID has proven anything in the US, it's how little control the federal government actually has. They've barely been able to enforce mask mandates. This is by design. We don't want a strong federal government. > The slippery slope argument doesn't hold water…

> > the pro-choice people seem to overlap heavily with the pro-mandate people. I don't think you can logically hold both of those positions

Well, not from the "governments are either allowed or not allowed to tell people to do things" angle.

From the "what do medical experts suggest we do to minimize unnecessary death and suffering" point of view it's possible to be consistently on the same side though.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by anonfornoreason »

jasonlaramburu wrote: post #869
anonfornoreason wrote: post #859

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Government sponsored marketing campaigns do not compare to mandates for vaccines in the workplace. Until the government mandates food quality standards and people start arguing about whether they can buy/sell Doritos or Pepsi in schools, workplaces, as part of foodstamps, etc as part of their freedoms, then it's a false equivalence.

>Until the government mandates food quality standards That's a great idea but if you believe that the government mandating workplace safety standards is massive overreach, then how could it possibly tell people what they can and cannot eat?

Not advocating for anything here, just pointing out (what seem to me) logically comparable things.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by steverb »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #732
steverb wrote: post #305

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Not sure why you think that's a problem. The vaccines offer better protection against variants than having had COVID and recovering. Edit: Apparently this is new information to people: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-pr...

Your link doesn't address better protection against variants specifically, just better protection against reinfection in general. The linked study specifically states that it does not include delta.

Sorry it took so long. Had a work fire to put out.

Here you go: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/scitranslmed.abi9915

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by mattnibs »

_fat_santa wrote: post #228
over_the_raibow wrote: post #177

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>Became it's not about you, it's about everyone around you as a group. Those who are "comfortable catching the disease" are taking... Bla bla... Then why are you smoking, or why are you eating fast food, why are you not exercising? These actions also put a burden on the health system. Why do covid and not tobacco? You know the answer already. This is not about anyone s health

Dont take this as me agreeing with the previous comment but I just want to point out that smoking, fast food, etc are all things that kill you "slowly", therefore has less of a risk of overrunning the healthcare system. It would have been smarter IMO (though probably not politically possible) to mandate the vaccine for specific age groups. If what they are trying to do avoid hospitalization, they should focus on the…

Go ask any nurse that works in a major metropolitan hospital what percentage of their patients are overweight- it will be the vast majority of them.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by iluvcommunism »

zimpenfish wrote: post #242
iluvcommunism wrote: post #156

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VAERS shows several thousand have died. Some estimate 45k based on a Harvard study on VAERS indicating a % that goes unreported.

Ignoring that VAERS is unverified data, and taking that 45k as "all these people died directly due to the vaccine", it's still only 45k out of 378M doses administered - 0.012%. (For comparison, 2021 has 31k gun deaths[1] through September and 21.5k road deaths through the first 6 months.) [1] https://www.gunviolencearchive.org [2] https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/overview/prelimina...

You’re going off topic. It is just a tool to track data. But here they are admitting that it suffers from underreporting. https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html

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Post by sterlind »

moistrobot wrote: post #833
kbos87 wrote: post #754

The number of comments here that fall back on some sort of a slippery slope argument, based in a worry about government overreach, is really disheartening. If COVID has proven anything in the US, it's how little control the federal government actually has. They've barely been able to enforce mask mandates. The slippery slope argument doesn't hold water here. I think we can look at the facts - 700,000 people dead, hos…

> The number of comments here that fall back on some sort of a slippery slope argument, based in a worry about government overreach, is really disheartening. If COVID has proven anything in the US, it's how little control the federal government actually has. They've barely been able to enforce mask mandates. This is by design. We don't want a strong federal government. > The slippery slope argument doesn't hold water…

> We don't have a COVID problem, we have a health problem. Has the government been encouraging people to take vitamin D, get fresh air, exercise, and get to a healthy weight? The rhetoric has been sit down and get the jab.

I'm disabled and it's not my fault. I'm a healthy weight, I have a vegetarian diet high in vegetables, I do my rehab exercises every day and see the doctor frequently. And yet my condition is progressing, because that's the nature of it.

My comorbidities aren't a moral failing.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by tzs »

mardifoufs wrote: post #861
robmccoll wrote: post #364

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Yeah what's next? Making other behaviors that have a small but established likelihood of endangering the lives of others or their property illegal at little to no cost to the liberty of an individual? Pretty soon I won't be able to drive my car under the influence, or without proper insurance, or while not wearing a seatbelt, or I won't be able to discharge my firearms in my 0.2 acre backyard in a suburban area. 650,…

Florida has been doing almost nothing since April 2020 and still has less deaths per capita than North eastern states with their extreme measures. So your argument that even 600k deaths was only achieved because of lockdown etc does not make any sense. You couldnt tell what state does or does not have strict covid restrictions if you looked at the outcomes.

That's a bit misleading because those NE states got around half of their deaths in April and May 2020.

From June 1 2020 to the present Florida has had 203 deaths per 100k. New York has had 130 deaths per 100k. New Jersey has had 170 deaths per 100k.

From June 1 2021 to the present, Florida has 42 deaths per 100k, New York 7 deaths per 100k, New Jersey 9 deaths per 100k.

For the first ~10% of the pandemic in the US you were statistically safer in Florida than in New York or New Jersey. For the rest of the time you were statistically safer in New York or New Jersey than in Florida.

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Post by a_conservative »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #670
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #652

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extremely important to clarify that only a small minority of "people" are against vaccine mandates, whereas the majority of people are not against vaccine mandates https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-mandate-work-poll...

Yeah most of the people refusing vaccines are conspiracy nuts and afraid of it because they've heard a talking head (that for whatever they trust) tell them not to take it.

This is flame bait and extremely insulting.

Trust is indeed at issue here, but in my opinion, it's more about a lack of trust in authorities rather than trust in the "wrong talking heads". However, this is all conjecture on both our parts.

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Post by sn9 »

walterbell wrote: post #5
lalaland1125 wrote: post #4

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Why would employers need additional immunity? Do schools usually need legal immunity when they require vaccines?

The MMR vaccine required by school is sterilizing, once and done. Intramuscular Covid vaccines provide blood/serum antibodies that can reduce the risk of severe disease or death, but they are non-sterilizing. They never promised to prevent infection and the CDC has updated their definitions to make that clear. Why would employers need legal immunity? Their lawyers may want to look closely at the legal immunity protec…

Funnily enough, The Atlantic just put out an article describing why the idea of "sterilizing vaccines" itself might be a myth and why that doesn't matter from a practical public health standpoint:

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/steriliz...

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by freemint »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #847
walterbell wrote: post #2

Is the federal government going to provide employers with the same legal immunity granted to pharmaceutical vendors via the PREP act? Does this mandate incorporate the Sept 2021 CDC definition of vaccine, https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article25... > Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.”…

mRNA vaccines do not directly stimulate the immune system. They cause the immune system itself to create protein structures that stimulate the immune system. The definition change is simply to more accurately include this vaccine method.

Slightly wrong. They cause any and no particular cell to create protein structures that stimulate the immune system.
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