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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by mardifoufs »

robmccoll wrote: post #364
Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

Yeah what's next? Making other behaviors that have a small but established likelihood of endangering the lives of others or their property illegal at little to no cost to the liberty of an individual? Pretty soon I won't be able to drive my car under the influence, or without proper insurance, or while not wearing a seatbelt, or I won't be able to discharge my firearms in my 0.2 acre backyard in a suburban area. 650,…

Florida has been doing almost nothing since April 2020 and still has less deaths per capita than North eastern states with their extreme measures. So your argument that even 600k deaths was only achieved because of lockdown etc does not make any sense. You couldnt tell what state does or does not have strict covid restrictions if you looked at the outcomes.

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Post by _-david-_ »

tomrod wrote: post #349
longthrow1 wrote: post #328

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Have you gotten your swine flu vaccine yet? Fauci says it's completely safe. If you trust the government you should rush out and get it for yourself and any children you know. Also, the fda has a perfect track record for only approving safe treatments, so why worry?

Look, let's look at the human side here. I understand your fear of the vaccine and possibly rage at people encouraging, exhorting, or even possibly looking down on you for your desire for safety. PM me if you want a safe person to speak with. Whether or not you want to reach out, know that I encourage you to be vaccinated and that the data supports that it is quite safe. The medical tradeoff of myocarditis (the large…

Can you tell me the medical side effects that could pop up after 1 year, 5 years and 10 years? Thanks.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by _-david-_ »

throwaway210222 wrote: post #662
commandlinefan wrote: post #656

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> A vaccine that protects me from getting the virus or getting a serious case But if the vaccine protects you, and you have it, why do you care if I get it or not? By definition, the only people I could hurt are myself or other unvaccinated people.

> why do you care if I get it or not? Because every infection is a chance to evolve a new variant that my (and my family's) vaccination does not protect against.

So we should push for sterilizing vaccines instead of these lossy ones that don't kill the virus.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by grey413 »

bitcurious wrote: post #457

Prior to mandating anything, the US government should step up and ensure that every household has a free weekly delivery of rapid at-home tests. There is no reason for us to be individually flying blind whenever we get a sniffle or headache or other minor symptom. Additionally, there is evidence that a prior covid infection grants stronger immunity than at least the J&J vaccine, and 40%+ percent of the US population…

I agree, easy, free access to rapid tests would be fantastic. They're pretty prone to false results, though, and are no substitute for vaccination.

As for giving exemptions for prior infection, there's no real reason to. Prior infection gives decent immunity, but a vaccination on top of it gives great immunity. It's a small net positive, but anything helps.

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Post by NickGott »

missedthecue wrote: post #815
moritonal wrote: post #136

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How about that, a textbook case of Godwin's Law and it only took three comments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

" In less mathematical terms, the longer the discussion, the more likely a Nazi comparison becomes, and with long enough discussions, it is a certainty." Seems like a silly "law". In mathematical terms, the longer the discussion, the more likely literally any comparison becomes. With a long enough discussion, every possible comparison being mentioned is a certainty.

Someone gets called a nazi for being in support of vaccine mandates and your response is "well in a infinitely long conversation everyone will get called a nazi" this is the most hackernews comment I have ever read

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Post by jasonlaramburu »

moistrobot wrote: post #857
jasonlaramburu wrote: post #845

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>Has the government been encouraging people to take vitamin D, get fresh air, exercise, and get to a healthy weight? The government has been advocating for exercise and general health for decades. Despite this, we remain one of the least fit countries in the world. If the government cannot convince someone to take a safe, free shot that might save their lives, how can you reasonably expect them to convince someone to…

Because obesity will kill them. That's the message that's not being said in a COVID context. Healthy at every size is one of the biggest health lies in America

>Because obesity will kill them. That's the message that's not being said in a COVID context.

Heart disease is the leading cause of death in America, and obesity is the #1 risk factor for it. This message has been clear and emphasized since the 1970s. Despite messaging, obesity has gotten worse, not better. You are wrong and oversimplifying the problem if you think COVID can be solved by telling people to lose weight.

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Post by mardifoufs »

HWR_14 wrote: post #669
oceanplexian wrote: post #509

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The flu definitely overwhelms hospitals on a yearly basis. Try searching Google with a date filter before 2020 for hospital overcrowding and flu.

The flu definitely did something in 2017-2018 (although that was a standout year). However, that "overwhelming" was mostly dealt with by telling people to go home and take theraflu (and OTC medication). As in, literally a press at the ER/admitting, which resulted in people needing to be examined before they were turned away. And doctors/nurses had to work overtime to do that! But the ICU beds never got overwhelmed. I…

Here in Quebec they were overwhelmed. Actually our hospitals were constantly at over 100% capacity, and were almost empty during most of the pandemic. Even at the peak of covid they weren't as full simply because most of the critical cases died in nursery homes or at home before reaching a hospital, thanks to the negligence of the government.

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Post by halfmatthalfcat »

TOMDM wrote: post #312
notacoward wrote: post #239

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But vaccines do reduce spread. https://archive.is/fCv5F (National Geographic) https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-ri... That's why states with higher vaccination rates are seeing less spread than states with low vaccination rates. https://www.wsj.com/articles/highly-vaccinated-states-keep-w... No, it doesn't absolutely prevent spread, but that's a ridiculous standard (often used to assure a cert…

I can't believe we're still arguing this on this forum of all places. The very worst estimates of the vaccines efficacy rate against the Delta variant sit at 30-50% for various measures. People on this forum are ecstatic about improving systems by 2-3% on the regular, and here is a free and easy measure that measurably reduces the mortality rate of yourself and those around you and we are _still_ arguing about it. I…

I agree, participating in this discussion today has been disheartening.

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Post by jasonlaramburu »

anonfornoreason wrote: post #859
jasonlaramburu wrote: post #845

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>Has the government been encouraging people to take vitamin D, get fresh air, exercise, and get to a healthy weight? The government has been advocating for exercise and general health for decades. Despite this, we remain one of the least fit countries in the world. If the government cannot convince someone to take a safe, free shot that might save their lives, how can you reasonably expect them to convince someone to…

Government sponsored marketing campaigns do not compare to mandates for vaccines in the workplace. Until the government mandates food quality standards and people start arguing about whether they can buy/sell Doritos or Pepsi in schools, workplaces, as part of foodstamps, etc as part of their freedoms, then it's a false equivalence.

>Until the government mandates food quality standards

That's a great idea but if you believe that the government mandating workplace safety standards is massive overreach, then how could it possibly tell people what they can and cannot eat?

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Post by charwalker »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #712
moistrobot wrote: post #673

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There's no way to split geographically, and it won't be clean.

Well, one side is contained in a limited number of cities…

And make up some 70% of the economy with Democrat voting counties leading the way:https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/10/election-2020-democrats-repu...

70:30 or more than 2x the GDP generated in blue counties should put the right on notice. Maybe there are wealthy folks in the blue counties that put their cash toward the GOP but it will not sustain them.

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