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We aren't ever going back to normal at this point. Once government gets power, it doesn't give it back. We're pushing closer to 2 Americas, one with freedom and one with vaccine mandates
You do realize that we vote for our government representatives, right? The 'government' is us.
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The liberty you think ever existed never did, look around. All the "freedom" advocates against the vax just pick and choose how they define freedom. There's no place in the world you can live as a sovereign citizen, so I'd suggest you get on board or buy a boat and live out on open water because that's the only place you'll be "free".
Nah, I think I’ll just live in a society that has the same values as me. It might have to be a new one.
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>> There is no logical thinking in their thesis, and every critique is based on the rebuttal of statistics, numbers, and data-based decision making. This is exactly what every person following the religion of scientism was saying when we were spraying kids with DDT, while those in touch with their intuition and insticts knew better.
Sounds pretty much like a fallacy to me. It is a different time and different age. The stats about mortality from covid and from vaccines are quite different and easily accessible.
I'd be surprised if you've looked much into how they're arriving at these statistical calculations.
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It set off the flamewar detector. It's also a dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28472856 .
It's not quite a dupe. That was federal workers. This is all employers with over 100 workers.
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It set off the flamewar detector. It's also a dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28472856 .
Hi dang, thanks for the hard work. I want to point out this is not a dupe of the "Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers" thread. This thread is talking about private employers with 100 or more employees; not necessarily federal employees.
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Not every anti-mandate person is a anti-vax. Government mandates are a political issue. Depending on the country and its laws, some believe mandates are illegal and constitute government tyranny. They may value rule by law or autonomy over their bodies. They may choose to receive vaccine but don't want to be 'forced to choose'. Not every anti-covid-vax person is anti-other-vax. The mRNA vaccine is novel. Many believe…
Thank you for sharing. > some believe mandates are illegal and constitute government tyranny This isn't a vaccine mandate. You are free to choose to be tested or vaccinated. Do you feel being forced to make this choice is tyranny, if so how bad do things have to get before the good of society becomes more important than your personal choice?
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Not every anti-mandate person is a anti-vax. Government mandates are a political issue. Depending on the country and its laws, some believe mandates are illegal and constitute government tyranny. They may value rule by law or autonomy over their bodies. They may choose to receive vaccine but don't want to be 'forced to choose'. Not every anti-covid-vax person is anti-other-vax. The mRNA vaccine is novel. Many believe…
Thank you for sharing. > some believe mandates are illegal and constitute government tyranny This isn't a vaccine mandate. You are free to choose to be tested or vaccinated. Do you feel being forced to make this choice is tyranny, if so how bad do things have to get before the good of society becomes more important than your personal choice?
I feel that forcing an uncomfortable nasal swab test is being used as a means of punishment, and not based on science. If it was just saliva I wouldn't feel that way.
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I predict that by December of 2021 enough people will have gotten the vaccine or have had COVID that the hospitalization numbers will drop precipitously and then we can all go back to a normal life. The OSHA requirement will hang around, but people won't be freaking out about it because it will be normal. Within two years there will be a childhood COVID vaccine that is safe and effective and it will be required for s…
The big problem is they still want people who've recovered from COVID to get vaccinated. This is a very big deal and I wouldn't be surprised if the whole OSHA plan goes to the Supreme Court. I've recovered from COVID and stand against vaccine mandates.
Why should people with natural immunity after having contracted covid be required to be vaccinated? That doesn't make sense. They have better immunity than the vaccinated. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...
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No, that isn’t how rights work. They are guarantees that cannot be violated, no matter how democratically popular they are.
That is certainly one theory of government, but it is not the only one, or probably even the most popular one. For instance, we have many laws that infringe free speech rights, and the great majority of people are perfectly fine with that. Your platonic ideal of “rights” isn’t the way rights actually work in the real world.
The whole idea of rights is that they cannot be violated, period. There's no reason to even have for example a UN Declaration on Human Rights if they can just be violated for Good Reasons™. Rights are absolute or they don't exist.