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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by pcthrowaway »

zht wrote: post #840
throwaway94721A wrote: post #657

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It may have been an emergency in the first days with the honking. That largely stopped after a week or so. They switched to camping in front of the parliament with bouncy castles etc. The bridge that was occupied in another province was cleared. I'm really not under the impression that at the time they went in there was any emergency. It was ugly: Peaceful unarmed protesters in pedestrian zones with no trucks in sigh…

yea if you ignore the public shitting, public pissing, drunkenness, the harassment of locals, then yea, it was only bouncy castles, or stuff like this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42613957

I guess you also think they should use the emergency act on the downtown east side of Vancouver then?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by andrekandre »

zahlman wrote: post #881
andrekandre wrote: post #861

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> stimulus spending during the pandemic fueled the housing crisis not very informed on canadian politics/economy so apologies if it is an obvious question, but what is the connection of stimulus spending and the housing crisis?

* Putting money directly in pockets tends to cause inflation in everything, but especially durable assets. Their relative worth increases compared to currency by simple supply and demand principle, because the supply of currency has increased. * This sort of double-counts the same phenomenon, but stimulus is largely implemented via interest rate policy. When interest rates fall, people are more willing to pay higher…

interesting, so if understand correctly; basically put, a side effect of the stimulus was that more people took out loans for homes, its that right?

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by selfmodruntime »

zahlman wrote: post #803
selfmodruntime wrote: post #721

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Upon digging, Wikipedia most prominently cites secondary sources here. The first of which is linked to a group called "Maru Group", whose website is dysfunctional. They are owned by Stagwell Marketing, whose CEO, Mark Penn, is directly linked to the US and Canadian Government, and more specifically to companies which were directly hurt by the trucking protest. Maru Group's sampling is tiny, they asked only 1500 peopl…

>Upon digging, Wikipedia most prominently cites secondary sources here. That has historically been their explicit policy in general ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_a_terti... ).

You're mistaking citing secondary sources for being a secondary source. In this context, Wikipedia would be a tertiary source. Yes, I get that this is their mission statement, but I find that when citing secondary sources as truth, you have to be even more careful.

A better way for this article would be "newsletter XY reported on a poll that said ABC", instead of pointing to the poll but linking to the newsletter.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by selfmodruntime »

mlekoszek wrote: post #725
selfmodruntime wrote: post #721

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Upon digging, Wikipedia most prominently cites secondary sources here. The first of which is linked to a group called "Maru Group", whose website is dysfunctional. They are owned by Stagwell Marketing, whose CEO, Mark Penn, is directly linked to the US and Canadian Government, and more specifically to companies which were directly hurt by the trucking protest. Maru Group's sampling is tiny, they asked only 1500 peopl…

That's really great work, thanks -- could you share a link to the 50% polls? This is probably worth porting back to the Wikipedia page to set the record straight.

They are also in the Wikipedia article, just further down. But what is really interesting is that the 66% source is dominantly cited in almost every single press article on the matter.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by squigz »

ternnoburn wrote: post #922
RegnisGnaw wrote: post #323

One of my big issues with J.T. is his massive waste of money on gun control. The vast majority of guns used in crimes in Canada are illegal guns from the US, with most being hand guns. The Liberals under J.T. has proposed a ban on assault style weapons (not assault weapons, mind you which are already banned) that so far has cost over $70M without guns being collected. The estimate cost is over $800M to collect them.…

This is one area leftists and right wingers can agree on -- gun control doesn't work, it punishes minority communities, it targets the wrong things, and it's written in ways that aren't backed by data. Leftists want to be armed for community defense (and because Marx and other leftist writers wrote about the importance of being armed). That said, if I show up at the range with a pride flag on my rifle people lose the…

There is something incredibly amusing to me about hearing Karl Marx described as a "leftist writer"

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by selfmodruntime »

ethbr1 wrote: post #817
selfmodruntime wrote: post #715

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The show of power - that even a democratic government will target your families - is far worse than the relatively small number of people it hit.

Not around in the 00s when the US federal government leaned on banks and payment processors as a way of debanking pornography businesses?

Or - rather recently - when the German government stormed people's apartments for calling politicians idiots.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by selfmodruntime »

clwg wrote: post #723
selfmodruntime wrote: post #714

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> I hesitate to call them protesters because I don't think they had a permit The notion that the common people need permission to protest is exactly why we are slowly, but surely arriving at oligarchies. The French are right. You don't need permission to show the ruling class who's king.

Perhaps bad phrasing, it is an emotional issue having lived through it. I like to think that I don't live in a country ruled by a King but rather in a community of citizens who have collectively agreed on a way of doing things. This includes the right to express dissent against other citizens to whom we have delegated certain decision-making responsibilities. A permit isn't about seeking permission; it's about ensuri…

> I like to think that I don't live in a country ruled by a King but rather in a community of citizens who have collectively agreed on a way of doing things

That is what a protest is. The collective agrees, not their rulers.

> A permit isn't about seeking permission; it's about ensuring an orderly process so that things don't devolve into chaos and bouncy castles.

I don't agree here, and even if that were so, there's a stark difference between the original intention and the ultimate use of permission as a tool.

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Post by selfmodruntime »

potato3732842 wrote: post #858
selfmodruntime wrote: post #721

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Upon digging, Wikipedia most prominently cites secondary sources here. The first of which is linked to a group called "Maru Group", whose website is dysfunctional. They are owned by Stagwell Marketing, whose CEO, Mark Penn, is directly linked to the US and Canadian Government, and more specifically to companies which were directly hurt by the trucking protest. Maru Group's sampling is tiny, they asked only 1500 peopl…

That scares me about the quality of wikipedia stats on other subjects.

It really should. I'm a PhD student (which does not overly qualify me anyway) but the more I look into works with quantitative measuring methods, the more I have a hard time trusting polls and statistics in general. Even in academic papers, or at least the ones I reviewed, more often than not the data is massaged in some way and leaves a lot to be desired.

It's best to immediately get suspicious if a polling company is owned by some parent firm with a clear conflict of interest.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by rXoX »

mlekoszek wrote: post #853
joemazerino wrote: post #819

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Stories of harassment and assaults? Provide one source for any assault.

Glad you asked. * Pushing a reporter live on air: https://x.com/mylenecrete/status/1494874304814751744 * Beating a counter-protestor on camera: https://x.com/timabray/status/1488231660260839430?t=Bx4fGVxR... * Attacking a shop employee for masking up on their way to work: https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=23006638534070... * Smashing windows of a business with a Pride flag: https://imgur.com/a/80bmPQ8 * T…

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by SJetKaran »

reverendsteveii wrote: post #539

Is it me or does it seem like the internet era has taken away incumbent advantage and actually put incumbents at a massive disadvantage? I'm not here to attack or defend what Trudeau has actually done, only to posit the idea that once you become a leader in the political landscape there is a very effective machine whose only job is to attack you, personally, as much as possible anywhere you're perceived to be vulnera…

As an Indian, I was suprised to learn at first that anti-incumbency wasn't the norm across the world. It is not such a bad thing.
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