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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by inglor_cz » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 9:51 PM UTC

morkalork wrote: post #287

bryanlarsen wrote: post #272

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The Police Chief lost his job over it. What other consequences would you think appropriate?

Investigations and penalties for everyone up the chain, starting with the frontline officers who were on the ground refusing to issue tickets. If an officer chooses to not do their job over their political beliefs they do not belong on the force.

“If you owe the bank $100, that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem.”

Same applies here. If 10 officers misbehave, it is easy to fire them all, as you suggest.

If a majority of the entire police force defects, your only choice is between limiting the scope of the punishment to a few ringleaders vs. basically disbanding the police force and starting a new one from scratch, hoping that you can even recruit enough people to do so; but, in the meantime, the city won't be policed anymore, as the entire institutional memory has been purged.

In most similar cases in history, the authorities opted for a blanket pardon, as it is much less of a headache.

It is not even a new problem. Police is a relatively recent institution, but armies, gendarmes, legions etc. rebelled all the time, and peace usually had to be bought by concessions.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 9:52 PM UTC

Mistletoe wrote: post #440

99_00 wrote: post #412

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Canada has no term limit. Leaders stay on until they have lost the support of their party. Often that happens after a devastating election loss. In this case it is happening because of his extreme unpopularity before the election and his parties hope of improving their election prospects under a different leader

Have they ever thought of implementing a term limit? I’m confused why they think that is not necessary.

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by dagmx » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 9:52 PM UTC

tonymet wrote: post #494

dagmx wrote: post #491

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I will state the opposite and say that my quality of life has dramatically improved after moving from the US to Canada. It is much more accessible, much easier to get about, far less hostile and any loss in wealth is offset by actually being able to enjoy my time more.

can i ask what you do?

Computer graphics software engineer.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by itsoktocry » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 9:52 PM UTC

catgary wrote: post #93

csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…

>Declaring the Emergency acts was overwhelmingly popular in Canada and remains one of the most popular things Trudeau ever did.

Where on earth does this stat come from?

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Post by wmoxam » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 9:54 PM UTC

nsavage wrote: post #530

leptons wrote: post #364

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How bad were the covid restrictions in Canada that the truckers were complaining about in 2022? By 2022 most of the world had gone back to normal business-as-usual. Why were they even protesting? As an outsider looking in, it seemed like a mix of ignorance, propaganda, and stupidity made them do it.

Without looking up the specifics, by the time of the convoy, the vast majority of covid restrictions were gone. They liked to complain about vaccine passports, which Canada had, but by 2022 the vaccine passports were gone everywhere except the US border, by the request of the US government. So, from the outside, these guys were protesting and occupying Ottawa over actions of the US government. On the other hand, thes…

It's important to note that some of the key people who were behind these protests were not truckers, but were involved in earlier attempts at mass protest in Ottawa as part of the 'yellow vests' group from 2019

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by clwg » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 9:56 PM UTC

catgary wrote: post #93

csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…

I live in Ottawa. We were failed by all levels of government, our police services, and our intelligence services.

The convoy drove across the country, broadcasting their intentions on social media. Yet, everyone acted shocked when they did exactly what they said they were going to do.

I hesitate to call them protesters because I don't think they had a permit or a cohesive message beside F* Trudeau, but they were completely disrespectful to other citizens, and I could never defend their actions. However, irrespective of how unpopular their actions were, the courts have deemed the federal government's response unreasonable and unconstitutional, and I agree with that assessment.

The government could have dealt with this earlier and more directly, but whatever passes for "leadership" these days in Canada has proven itself completely inept.

Personally, I would like to see an inquiry into foreign interference in our elections, but I guess that’s not considered a pressing issue anymore.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by throwaway94721A » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 9:59 PM UTC

graeme wrote: post #554

swat535 wrote: post #293

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And the court of law later determined that this was an abuse of power and unlawful. The fact that there is an existing law that can be abused does not negate the argument that abusing it is unlawful.

iirc the finding was that it was within the power of the province to handle the situation. The thing is, the province wasn't using the powers it had to handle it. The situation was obviously an emergency. You can't just let a convoy of heavy vehicles occupy your national capital indefinitely and say "not a problem, the provincial govt could theoretically handle this" I'm not sure the Quebec kidnappings would have met…

It may have been an emergency in the first days with the honking. That largely stopped after a week or so.

They switched to camping in front of the parliament with bouncy castles etc.

The bridge that was occupied in another province was cleared.

I'm really not under the impression that at the time they went in there was any emergency. It was ugly: Peaceful unarmed protesters in pedestrian zones with no trucks in sight were pushed back by squads with assault rifles and loud tear gas grenades. People with assault rifles stormed delivery vans.

The narrative at the time was that of a huge "far right" (what a surprise ...) conspiracy. No proof has ever emerged, it was just an abuse of power of the "left" who were at the peak of their power back then.

Good riddance, Trudeau.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by b112 » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 10:00 PM UTC

itsoktocry wrote: post #654

catgary wrote: post #93

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I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…

> Declaring the Emergency acts was overwhelmingly popular in Canada and remains one of the most popular things Trudeau ever did. Where on earth does this stat come from?

I don't know, but I live in the NCR, and few I know thought it was right.

The real issue was the Ottawa police. The RCMP and OPP were willing to help, and use legal means to clear the blockade. The Ottawa Police dropped the ball, didn't organize, and just made a mess.

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Post by cmrdporcupine » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 10:02 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #645

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #499

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Your account has been breaking the site guidelines badly in this thread. Would you please stop? Regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are, It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. We've had to ask you this before not long ago, so it would be good if you would review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and please fix this.

dang, it would help if you would clarify which guideline I'm violating.

I see a lot of deep flame bait in this thread. A lot of it by people of another country, making claims about my own for partisan and ideological purposes. Context here is important given news in recent weeks, with Trudeau's name on the lips of people like Trump, Musk, etc.

I have a "karma" of almost 20,000 and have been on hackernews for a very long time at this point. I'm sure my passion is showing through, but it feels odd given my citizenship and past here, to single me out.

There are some issues which trigger emotional response. I usually don't get into the back and forth response, but this is a seriously frustrating thread and I think if you're not ready for the level of passionate vitriol this topic (we have people driving around with bumper stickers reading "F* Trudeau" and this whole topic is tied in with COVID, vaccines, etc. etc.) will unleash, it's best to lock or flag this whole topic.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by itsoktocry » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 10:05 PM UTC

b112 wrote: post #658

itsoktocry wrote: post #654

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> Declaring the Emergency acts was overwhelmingly popular in Canada and remains one of the most popular things Trudeau ever did. Where on earth does this stat come from?

I don't know, but I live in the NCR, and few I know thought it was right. The real issue was the Ottawa police. The RCMP and OPP were willing to help, and use legal means to clear the blockade. The Ottawa Police dropped the ball, didn't organize, and just made a mess.

I'm sure people directly affected agree with you, but it's been downhill for this regime since the trucker protest. We are literally still talking about it, right now.

I cannot comprehend how it could be overwhelmingly supported.