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Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by dismalaf »

Hilift wrote: post #667
jmyeet wrote: post #397

Nothing will change because no Canadian government will lower house prices and that's what absolutely needs to happen. 2024 was a banner year for voting against the incumbent governments worldwide. Globally we have a cost-of-living crisis, a housing affordability crisis and a years-long decrease in the standard-of-living. Generally speaking, each country has 3 forces that are in play: 1. Progressives; 2. Neoliberals…

No government lowers housing prices. Additionally real estate rarely drops in price unless there is a major economic downturn. It isn't going to happen.

It's kind of an economic reality that prices are sticky upwards... To "lower" costs you need to raise wages.

On top of our absurd costs, our productivity is plummeting so there's no positive outlook here.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by spot13 »

This thread should be locked. It's unbelievable the BS being spewed by all sides of the political spectrum.

Ultimately, the Canadian democracy has wanted a new prime minister for years and it's abhorrent it has (and is) taking this long to let the citizens vote.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by btbuildem »

spot13 wrote: post #712

This thread should be locked. It's unbelievable the BS being spewed by all sides of the political spectrum. Ultimately, the Canadian democracy has wanted a new prime minister for years and it's abhorrent it has (and is) taking this long to let the citizens vote.

I got downvoted to hell for suggesting these posts be removed altogether. They contribute nothing of value here.

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Post by selfmodruntime »

clwg wrote: post #656
catgary wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…

I live in Ottawa. We were failed by all levels of government, our police services, and our intelligence services. The convoy drove across the country, broadcasting their intentions on social media. Yet, everyone acted shocked when they did exactly what they said they were going to do. I hesitate to call them protesters because I don't think they had a permit or a cohesive message beside F* Trudeau, but they were comp…

> I hesitate to call them protesters because I don't think they had a permit

The notion that the common people need permission to protest is exactly why we are slowly, but surely arriving at oligarchies. The French are right. You don't need permission to show the ruling class who's king.

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Post by selfmodruntime »

Manuel_D wrote: post #698
catgary wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…

You're over an order of magnitude off. Over 200 people were debunked. A donation of just $20 could result in someone being debanked: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/even-small-donation-t...

The show of power - that even a democratic government will target your families - is far worse than the relatively small number of people it hit.

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Post by selfmodruntime »

nick_ wrote: post #476
rand_r wrote: post #363

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I don’t know why they couldn’t do the friggen obvious move of asking the police to unblock the roads by force, and impounding the vehicles for repeat offences. Going after bank accounts was a coward move that never made sense. If I just sat down in the middle of a subway tunnel, I would be removed by force immediately, no matter what I was protesting. They created problems for themselves by not doing the obvious solu…

If only more people A) asked this question and B) looked into what was (not) happening. Basically Ottawa police were insubordinate, sided with the truckers/occupiers/protesters, etc. The populist conservative provincial government completely failed to act, likely due to the protestors being on "their side". > Ottawa was not being policed. Ticketing didn’t start for days. Tow-truck companies hesitated to move illegall…

> Basically Ottawa police were insubordinate, sided with the truckers/occupiers/protesters, etc

Maybe the correct move was to resign if it got that bad.

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Post by notevenremotely »

joshlemer wrote: post #701
notevenremotely wrote: post #536

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Half of those issues are provincial. Canadian politics is the Spiderman meme with local, provincial and federal governments all pointing their fingers at each other. If healthcare in your province sucks blame your Premier.

It's more complicated than that. Technically healthcare is a provincial responsibility in the constitution but the feds bought their way into healthcare and regulate it through the Canada Health Act. The Feds cannot legally compel provinces to comply with the CHA but if they don't comply with it, they won't receive the federal health transfers which would essentially bankrupt the province. The province would still be…

"Coming at it from a separate angle, it would be quite a coincidence if it just so happened that every single province in the country, over decades, has had their healthcare systems failing in basically the same way with the same problems for end users"

It isn't though. These problems that are now being hard-felt in Toronto and Vancouver have plagued the Atlantic provinces for decades.

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Post by eastbound »

throaway89 wrote: post #546
adamc wrote: post #306

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Not a Canadian, but no, a protest protests and gives voice to the disagreement. Blocking other people's rights is not just a protest and is likely to trigger action to protect others. That's how it goes everywhere that has rights. Normally, some effort is made to do it peacefully, but there are no countries where you can halt the economy whenever you want to force people to negotiate with you.

A protest which isn't allowed to do anything other than raise voices is a powerless and toothless protest.

Preferably online, but not on a website that everyone sees. Something silent. On the side. Also please have the dignity to die in peace, not commit suicide in a place where everyone can see it.

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Post by VerminOctopus1 »

bawolff wrote: post #377
csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

People on hn seem weirdly obsessed with trudeau's handling of the trucker protest. Regardless of what you think of it, at this point it is very old news and trudeau's actions were controversial but largely popular. The handling of the trucker protest is not why he resigned. It is not why he is unpopular.

I’ve noticed a ton of non-Canadians like to reference this event as if it’s some incredible example of government tyranny gone too far. Nearly anyone who lived in Ottawa during this time (like me) would say the police completely failed the city, and the “protests” went on for literal weeks too long due to inaction and incompetence by all levels of government.
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