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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by Tiktaalik » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:05 PM UTC

nemo44x wrote: post #54

Is Canada better today then when he started as PM? I struggle to agree that it is. Housing is as bad as it has ever been and the immigration decisions seem to have been so careless that even people that would agree with immigration as a general principal are horrified by it by and large. The Canadian dollar has collapsed VS the USD. I guess it always ends bad if you stick around long enough.

Depends on who you're talking to.

There are many indigenous communities that now have water that are better off than before he was PM.

Speaking for myself I think things in 2019 were better than 2015. The pandemic and things after the pandemic (hi inflation and spiking interest rates) have not been quite so fun but these are global issues and people around the world have had a similar experience. Arguably there is more Trudeau could have done but some things are beyond his reach (eg. Bank of Canada sets interest rates).

If you're a person without an established home you own you probably feel things are disastrously worse than 2015 when you presumed that surely eventually you'd own one. If you already own a home you probably care quite a bit less.

Housing was deeply dysfunctionally broken in the major cities well before Trudeau became PM in 2015 and the lazy status quo approach of his government ensured that the contagion of housing shortage would spread Canada wide. It's mostly Provincial and Municipal governments that are at fault but plenty of fault for the feds too. Despite the fact that Fed housing policy right now is better than it's ever been the damage has been done.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by joshdavham » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:05 PM UTC

pluc wrote: post #19

Here come the conservatives, again. Canada might not be a two-party system, but you'd never guess looking at the last hundred years.

> Canada might not be a two-party system

I prefer the term: two-party state

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Post by RegnisGnaw » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:05 PM UTC

One of my big issues with J.T. is his massive waste of money on gun control. The vast majority of guns used in crimes in Canada are illegal guns from the US, with most being hand guns.

The Liberals under J.T. has proposed a ban on assault style weapons (not assault weapons, mind you which are already banned) that so far has cost over $70M without guns being collected. The estimate cost is over $800M to collect them.

The last time we had a gun control fantasy was also under the Liberals. They proposed a long gun registry that they estimated would cost $2M a year. By the time it was cancelled 20 years later, the total cost was over $2B.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by syndicatedjelly » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:06 PM UTC

karaterobot wrote: post #40

I'm having trouble learning anything from this stream of disconnected, time-sorted tweetlike objects. I'm posting this on the off chance that a better article exists, and someone can point me to it. I assume it's too early for that though.

The goal isn't to learn, it's to be entertained

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by mardifoufs » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:06 PM UTC

colinb wrote: post #242

mardifoufs wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And those weren't the people that got their rights suspended by emergency powers, so what's your point? According to that logic, the protestors during the Oka Crisis should've just been arrested, stripped of their rights and treated like non citizens since they were armed and threatened the police. Yet a better government back then realized that you can't just use emergency powers for every inconvenience, and didn't…

> peacefully Well, apart from the fighting and that young woman who was bayoneted while carrying her infant sister. I’m not here to carry water for the asshat truckers, and I don’t understand the Canadian constitution or legal system, but the Oka Crisis was resolved with enough brutality for at least one crow pie.

Ok, I agree to be honest. I shouldn't have said peacefully, but rather without the emergency powers hammer.

In fact, the federal government tried appeasement whereas the provincial government was more brutal.

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Post by BunsanSpace » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:06 PM UTC

bryanlarsen wrote: post #179

nemo44x wrote: post #54

Is Canada better today then when he started as PM? I struggle to agree that it is. Housing is as bad as it has ever been and the immigration decisions seem to have been so careless that even people that would agree with immigration as a general principal are horrified by it by and large. The Canadian dollar has collapsed VS the USD. I guess it always ends bad if you stick around long enough.

Canada is definitely worse than it was ten years ago, but all of the major problems are provincial responsibilities: housing, health care, education, policing. The largely conservative provinces have done a very good job of blaming Trudeau and immigration for problems that are entirely their own.

The problem with Trudeau's government is he didn't/doesn't consult with provinces very much. They continue to announce programs and initiatives that live in the territory of the provinces without provincial buy in.

If it was one or two provinces you would be correct, but when every province is facing the same issue(s), then the turd starts to stick to the feds... The immigration issue is a prime example, he announced higher than normal targets but didn't consult or work with the provinces about this, which caused many provinces to be taken by surprise and have their social systems overwhelmed by the influx of people. Many of these same systems where still recovering from covid... so yea recipe for disaster.

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Post by bryanlarsen » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:06 PM UTC

BunsanSpace wrote: post #301

mlekoszek wrote: post #23

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Generally, governments in Canada are voted out in roughly 9-year intervals. Trudeau took office in 2015, so nothing unusual there. Moreover, Trudeau is exiting with approval ratings just a percent below his predecessor, Stephen Harper (22% vs. 23%, respectively). So, in a wider sense, this is not so unusual. But we're facing a trade war with the States and less-than-joking threats of annexation, so it's a bad moment…

This is the crux of the issue honestly. Trudeau should have had the humility to read the writing on the wall in the fall, and stepped down so we could have a stable government to deal with the incoming US administration and give his party a fighting chance next election. He could have rested on his laurels knowing history would likely forget his shortcomings & scandals, and be remembered as the prime minister who got…

Neither Freeland nor Carney want to be the next Kim Campbell. The Liberals are going to lose the next election badly whether or not Trudeau is leading it. I'm sure that Trudeau made the decision to step down ~6 months ago and is now just playing with the timing to maximum effect. Stepping down now basically pushes the election three months further out than it would otherwise be due to a prorogation to pick a new leader. That gives Pollievre 3 more months worth of rope and Trump time to sabotage Pollievre.

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Post by mbrumlow » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:07 PM UTC

catgary wrote: post #93

csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…

So the threat of violence against a non violent protest resulted in the non violent protestors being labeled terrorist and justified all the action that followed?

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Post by loceng » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:08 PM UTC

mlekoszek wrote: post #188

loceng wrote: post #186

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Can you explain what these illegal orders were, within the purview of Sloly's role as police chief? Also, who is the second Ottawa police chief you're talking about? For that matter, who is the third one? Furthermore, on what grounds are you claiming that Sloly resigned over illegal orders, when most sources agree it was over failure to perform?

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by adamc » Mon, Jan 06, 2025, 7:08 PM UTC

Dakizhu wrote: post #292

toasteros wrote: post #213

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No, because Canada is not "ruined" or "damaged". The ONE dreadful thing the Liberals did was to renege on their promise of electoral reform. All Westminster-style Parliaments are done a disservice by using First-past-the-post. Trudeau campaigned on replacing the system with proportional representation, but incumbents in Westminster governments will never change the system that made them win. Most people turn to the C…

What’s dreadful is the rising cost of living and lack of affordable housing, which he failed to address. Moreover he doubled immigration during a time when the average Canadian was struggling to keep up with rising expenses. I’m pro-immigration but not at an unsustainable rate. Housing construction was not keeping up. Trudeau pushed beyond the limits of pro-immigration policy. If it was just conservative propaganda,…

Asking as a non-Canadian: What do you think he could have done that would fix these issues? If there is a clear path, why is it not politically attractive?