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And those weren't the people that got their rights suspended by emergency powers, so what's your point? According to that logic, the protestors during the Oka Crisis should've just been arrested, stripped of their rights and treated like non citizens since they were armed and threatened the police. Yet a better government back then realized that you can't just use emergency powers for every inconvenience, and didn't…
> peacefully
Well, apart from the fighting and that young woman who was bayoneted while carrying her infant sister.
I’m not here to carry water for the asshat truckers, and I don’t understand the Canadian constitution or legal system, but the Oka Crisis was resolved with enough brutality for at least one crow pie.
Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM
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#244Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…
> […] ought to go through the laws and court system. The Emergencies Act is part of the laws of Canada: * https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/e-4.5/ * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergencies_Act And there were court orders: * https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60356461 * 2022 ONSC 1001: https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/2022/2022onsc1001/2022... ; https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/doc…
An abhorrent part, abused way out of its intended scope in a totalitarian way.
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You can have both. Selected the candidate and proportional presentation. Most popular party candidates get elected.
Multiple proportional systems don't require lists and provide the best outcome. Comparing FPTP to a worse system and decided FTPT is awesome while ignoring its known and widely discussed flaws surprises me. Its not really open for debate these days although people love to reject reality.
> Its not really open for debate these days although people love to reject reality.
Whenever I see something is not open for debate, I view it with a lot more skepticism. Almost always, this type of framing, to make an idea untouchable, leads to abuse. We saw this in a lot of the “trust authorities” type messaging in the pandemic.
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Canada is definitely worse than it was ten years ago, but all of the major problems are provincial responsibilities: housing, health care, education, policing. The largely conservative provinces have done a very good job of blaming Trudeau and immigration for problems that are entirely their own.
Out of curiosity, how is the housing & health care situation in those conservative provinces compared to other provinces (like Quebec, where I live in)?
Living in QC, I'm scared about the future of medical care and infrastructure. I wonder too what's the situations for other provinces.
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> […] against the peaceful protestors. At some point they stopped being protestors and became occupiers. There is no Charter right to occupy—as the pro-Palestinian folks also learned [1] (which was simply re-iterating previous precedent, see perhaps [2]). [1] 2024 ONSC 3755 [2] 2011 ONSC 6862
At what point is that, legally? Did they attack anybody? Obstruct anyone's access to a building they had a right to access? Or does someone just need to declare that someone is an occupier?
Yes, they harassed people, they cornered people, yes they restricted access to stores, buildings, and yes they used their truck horns to attack local residents by preventing them being able to sleep for days on end. Preventing people from sleeping via loud noise is literally considered a torture tactic.
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What does "law" mean to you? Do the "Emergency acts" not count as law in your opinion?
It counts as farce. The law literally as passed states that the law itself is not capable of dealing with the situation, so it is law to deal with the situation.
It's a clear sign that your government is failing its responsibilities. The US has done it too.
Your government is with a straight face telling you that it doesn't legitimately have enough control over you so it needs to create extra-legal means of having control over you.
It's tyranny. There's a reason these acts only can get passed in war time. The population is too busy pissing its pants to realize when it's getting shafted.
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I think this is a pretty unsupportable position, even if you passionately and emotionally make a case for this with constructed evidence, it's still not a tenable position. I think you have an easier time making the case for a flat earth, quite frankly.
Can you elaborate or be more concrete in what you mean by this?
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Honestly, Canada merging with the US would not be a bad thing. There are articles discussing Canada joining the EU. What’s the difference between being a state within the US and a country that is basically a state, within the EU? A lot of Canada - especially outside of certain cities like Vancouver - share foundational values with the US much more so than the EU.