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All 20?
Also, is this like when the FBI discovers a plot to kidnap a Governor and half of the conspirators are paid FBI informants?
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#142Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…
I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…
Crazy how only Canada has used emergency powers to curtail opposition. In fact it did that twice in 50 years.
And only twenty people getting their rights completely stripped because they bothered the federal government workers in Ottawa is good enough according to you?
Maybe it's just because I'm part of a minority but your entire comment is exactly the issue with Canadian politics. We basically have 0 rights the moment a majority decides that we don't. I guess that's the perks of having an incredibly ineffective constitution.
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Spend 5 minutes in Toronto Union Station during commuter hours and you'll never describe Canadians as polite again.
That's the very worst point of view you'll ever get of Canadians. Of course people in a busy train station during rush hour aren't in the best mood. Travel the country up and down, big cities and small towns, and I guarantee you will conclude that Canadians are the best people around.
Yes and no.
1/3 of the country's entire population is in the GTA. That brief moment is the most contact that Canadians will have with each other on any given day.
And they treat everyone worse than garbage. I've been in busier commuter zones that have been far more civil than that.
Even the drunks going home on the LIRR are better than that.
I won't disagree with you that Canadians are great people -- I spent a lot of time living there for a reason -- but you have to judge people by when their hair is down, not their Sunday best.
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>'The intent was not to get at the families', and when a democratic government starts a sentence that way something deeply #&$#ed up has happened." Wait, are people that shocked that their democratic governments are wiling to act like mobsters/dictators against a minority group just to get their way and appease a majority, when the history books are full of such examples? People must have a short memory then and why…
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And those weren't the people that got their rights suspended by emergency powers, so what's your point?
According to that logic, the protestors during the Oka Crisis should've just been arrested, stripped of their rights and treated like non citizens since they were armed and threatened the police. Yet a better government back then realized that you can't just use emergency powers for every inconvenience, and didn't use them. They instead talked and engaged in discussions with them, which resolved the Oka Crisis peacefully.
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Trump I feel like a single word should explain it, but I know HN abhors single word responses. Trump has threatened tariffs and has mentioned annexing Canada. He's also mentioned buying Greenland, trading Puerto Rico for Greenland, and a bunch of other notions.
Greenland actually makes a lot of sense. I think if every citizen there was offered $5million they’d vote yes. And it’s entirely reasonable from the USA perspective as it’s not that much overall for the US. Probably wouldn’t make a state but treat like Puerto Rico where they continue to self govern and citizens can freely move to the USA as they’d have USA passports. For USA very strategic naval passages and mineral…
Normal people would try to negotiate trade relations. Megalomaniacs would decide to just take something even if they try to soften the taking with money.
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Problem with First Past the Post voting systems, we tend to vote "strategically", and since the Alliance and PC's joined early augh's, the Right has been "unified" while the left is still split between the more centrist liberals and left NDP, with a small portion bled off for green's. Would love to see explanations of downvotes since this is factually true...
First past the post is awesome. I moved from a proportional-representation country to a FPTP one (Canada) and it's so much better to have a specific individual who is my MP. Back where I was born, there's a grey and anonymous party list of people selected by extremely dubious internal party political means. I never felt the slightest bit represented; and the political process was completely opaque. Now I have a dude…
You can have both. Selected the candidate and proportional presentation. Most popular party candidates get elected.
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Alaska got Ranked Choice Voting and after every election cycle where a Democrat wins they're up in arms about how it's bad. This time the repeal effort got within a whisker of succeeding, while the Democrat (Mary Peltola) lost her congressional seat. RCV encourages moderation, meaning candidates like Peltola and Senator Murkowski (R) win statewide office. This distresses people who feel like such moderates are very f…
> This distresses people who feel like such moderates are very far from their own views It pisses off people who don’t understand compromise.
They don't want to compromise, agreed.
But they know they live in a state where any presidential candidate with (R) next to their name can win by 10-20 points. So they wonder how such a state can elect a Democrat without something underhanded going on. A working theory is that the RCV system is "too confusing" for some folks and it leads to the D candidate winning an "undeserved" victory.
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Can you name a similarly wealthy country that is actually better today than it was on the date he started as a PM? I can't. Seems like something else has been going on. Potentially you could name Ireland, by becoming a tax haven, screwing over everyone else instead.
America is, especially since 2021 but nobody wants to believe it.
Not sure why the parent comment is being downvoted. By most sources, the States has been the exception and not the rule post-pandemic.
* https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/why-...
* https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-us-recovery-from-covi...
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He is going to stay until a new leader is chosen by the Liberal Party of Canada.
Why not hand over power immediately to the next person in line? Doesn't preclude the party choosing someone else when they get around to it.
There is no formal “next in line”. The closest potential successor would have been the deputy prime minister; Chrystia Freeland held that role until a few weeks ago when she dramatically resigned and sparked this chain of events.
Currently, this is “Working as Intended” in Canada’s political system.