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Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by ripjaygn »

diggan wrote: post #42
samr71 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he was willing to work with the rules and norms of the markets they want to enter, they'd sell even fewer cars. If they had to deal with the same regulations and IP laws as China, they'd sell more.

> If he was willing to work with the rules and norms of the markets they want to enter, they'd sell even fewer cars Well, as it stands right now, BYD looks to be the more popular option in countries like Sweden just because Musk refuses to do what every other single company does in the country. Even Amazon found a way to work in a way that the common person is protected, why can't Tesla?

> Well, as it stands right now, BYD looks to be the more popular option in countries like Sweden

Source please. BYD appears to be far far behind in Sweden, not even in top 5 EV company sales.

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/01/02/evs-take-63-1-share-in-...

And not even in ICE or Hybrids in Sweden?

> just because Musk refuses to do what every other single company does in the country

You're assuming a causality with bad and wrong data, Tesla sales are increasing in Sweden.

Where are you getting your information from?

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

#93

Post by adventured »

pengaru wrote: post #13
madaxe_again wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ll bite the bait, and will point out that Tesla sales this Q have been suppressed by people awaiting model refreshes.

BYD isn't even available in all markets Tesla is. For it to surpass Tesla globally without selling to US buyers is nothing to shake a stick at.

You can't sell dangerous $10,000 EVs in affluent markets in Europe, North America, Japan, etc. Fairly strict build & safety regulations prevent that.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by cowboyscott »

adventured wrote: post #86
cowboyscott wrote: post #80

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> In 2009 the car sold in 96 units, and only seven cars were sold in the full 2010 fiscal year. Production has now ceased. In all, the car sold in only 103 units This is like saying we should ignore Tesla because the only car they sold in 2009 was a rip-off Lotus. Speaking as an American, I'd love to see what the presence of low-end (say, $10k range) autos would do to traffic laws and city planning.

> This is like saying we should ignore Tesla because the only car they sold in 2009 was a rip-off Lotus. No it's not like saying that. Lotus had a deal with Tesla. https://www.tesla.com/blog/lotus-position

That’s right, I didn’t mean to imply theft of any kind. I’m mostly pointing out that both companies sort of outsourced the body design (BYD in a more questionable way) as they figured out how to grow. Both companies were quite small production-wise in 2009 and are very different today.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

belltaco wrote: post #55
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #44

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Well, the last example is unions in Sweden. I‘m sure you can google that yourself?

They edited that in after I asked for sources instead of putting it in a reply, and didn't mark it as a later edit. Can't google something that's not there. Not to mention google shows that Tesla sales increased in Sweden in Nov and December 2023 compared to the same months in 2022.

You asked for an example, I gave you the last example I am aware of: https://apnews.com/article/tesla-strike-union-sweden-labor-d....

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by sidlls »

endisneigh wrote: post #28
Etheryte wrote: post #17

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This is a stat that people keep bringing up while completely ignoring the fact that many of BYD's vehicles are not marketable outside of China because they're just rip-offs of other manufacturers' vehicles. See BYD S8 [0] and Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class [1] for one example, but there are numerous. This should tell you everything you need to know about this company. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_S8 [1] https://en.…

Why does it matter if it’s a rip off or not? If a design is good why not reuse?

Because it demonstrates a theft of tech and design, which puts their credibility and integrity in question. Is the derivative safe (actually safe, not government-of-China wanting a feather in its cap rubber-stamp safe)? Is the derivative actually comparable (i.e. is the marketing a lie)? Aside from that, do we want to reward companies that steal other companies' ideas?

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

#97

Post by boudin »

iancmceachern wrote: post #76
unglaublich wrote: post #25

I'm afraid of the hellscape of even more of these tanks on the road, and even on water now.

Yes, this is not environmentally friendly

And not human friendly neither, don't want to be involved in an accident with such a car

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by ripjaygn »

diggan wrote: post #61
belltaco wrote: post #52

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> Added a link that gives you some additional context. Tesla sold 55% more cars in Nov 2023 compared to Nov 2022, and 9% more in December, so how is that Tesla's downfall? https://carup.se/trots-strejken-tesla-far-ut-fler-bilar-i-sv... https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-... Edit: Ran into the posting limit but the below is certainly false about Sweden, BYD is not selling the most cars there.…

BYD are selling the most cars, and is the fastest growing in terms of sales in the country. If you're aiming to be the company that produces the most vehicles in the world, it certainly sounds like it's not going in the right direction for them. - "BYD overtakes Tesla - sells the most electric cars" - https://www.mestmotor.se/automotorsport/artiklar/nyheter/202... - "BYD beat Tesla - grew fastest in Sweden in 2023" -…

> BYD are selling the most cars, and is the fastest growing in terms of sales in the country

Source? BYD aren't selling the most cars in Sweden.

> BYD beat Tesla - grew fastest in Sweden in 2023

Tesla sold 20K cars and BYD sold 3K in Sweden in 2023. How is that beating Tesla? They went from 1.1K cars to 3K, so had better percentage growth than Tesla

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by starbase »

diggan wrote: post #2

Seems like BYD has surpassed Tesla as the biggest EV maker as of the end of 2023: https://www.ft.com/content/716c9b0b-d8cd-491a-a91b-d70c1e540... ( https://archive.is/LOiYh ) I'm guessing that Musk's unwillingness to work with the rules and norms in the markets Tesla is trying to enter, will be Tesla's downfall. Hopefully Tesla could somehow get rid of Musk as it seems like he is constantly holding Tesla back quite a…

Important detail: BYD's "EV" sales numbers include gasoline-electric hybrids.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by endisneigh »

sidlls wrote: post #96
endisneigh wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it matter if it’s a rip off or not? If a design is good why not reuse?

Because it demonstrates a theft of tech and design, which puts their credibility and integrity in question. Is the derivative safe (actually safe, not government-of-China wanting a feather in its cap rubber-stamp safe)? Is the derivative actually comparable (i.e. is the marketing a lie)? Aside from that, do we want to reward companies that steal other companies' ideas?

Please do tell me a company that has released something that is independently invented in its entirety with respect to “tech and design”

Such a ridiculous take on a technology forum.

It’s a waste of human energy to reinvent the wheel. Not to mention the example given earlier is irrelevant since it’s no longer in production anyway.

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