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BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

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Post by buran77 »

Etheryte wrote: post #17
diggan wrote: post #2

Seems like BYD has surpassed Tesla as the biggest EV maker as of the end of 2023: https://www.ft.com/content/716c9b0b-d8cd-491a-a91b-d70c1e540... ( https://archive.is/LOiYh ) I'm guessing that Musk's unwillingness to work with the rules and norms in the markets Tesla is trying to enter, will be Tesla's downfall. Hopefully Tesla could somehow get rid of Musk as it seems like he is constantly holding Tesla back quite a…

This is a stat that people keep bringing up while completely ignoring the fact that many of BYD's vehicles are not marketable outside of China because they're just rip-offs of other manufacturers' vehicles. See BYD S8 [0] and Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class [1] for one example, but there are numerous. This should tell you everything you need to know about this company. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_S8 [1] https://en.…

The design can change as long as the tech inside is legal to sell elsewhere and does the job. I'd say the design is anyway the first to change because tastes may differ between continents (even between US and Europe).

The example you gave is for a 15 year old car where only 100 were produced and Mercedes couldn't have been too upset since they signed a partnership with BYD that year. Around the same time Tesla was selling Lotus Roadsters. In the meantime obviously neither still needs to do that. BYD will sell outside of China whatever they are legally allowed to sell on top of the growing sales they have inside China.

> This should tell you everything you need to know about this company.

If you're too focused on how they did business 15 years ago you might miss that they're passing by you today. Does Musk tell you everything you need to know about Tesla? Millions are still buying. If you don't buy BYD it won't be because they were copying the megastars of the time decades ago.

I'm not a fan of Chinese business practices but a lot of big companies everywhere started by copying more established competing products.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

#52

Post by belltaco »

diggan wrote: post #43
belltaco wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm guessing that Musk's unwillingness to work with the rules and norms in the markets Tesla is trying to enter, will be Tesla's downfall. Hopefully Tesla could somehow get rid of Musk as it seems like he is constantly holding Tesla back quite a bit. Like what? Source(s)?

> Like what? Source(s)? Added a link that gives you some additional context.

> Added a link that gives you some additional context.

Tesla sold 55% more cars in Nov 2023 compared to Nov 2022, and 9% more in December, so how is that Tesla's downfall?

https://carup.se/trots-strejken-tesla-far-ut-fler-bilar-i-sv...

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-...

Edit: Ran into the posting limit but the below is certainly false about Sweden, BYD is not selling the most cars there.

> BYD are selling the most cars, and is the fastest growing in terms of sales in the country

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

#53

Post by gambiting »

VBprogrammer wrote: post #26
speedgoose wrote: post #11

4 tons as an hybrid with only 50kWh of battery. You would need a truck driving license in Europe, and a speed limit of 80km/h.

Yeah, I doubt we'll ever see on in the UK because of licensing issues. That said, it's also range extended so 50kWh is ample. I would hazard a guess it would do about 100 miles on battery alone.

It literally says in the article - the EV only range is 180km(about 110 miles), the fuel tank is 75 litres, giving it a combined range of 1000km(600 miles).

Tbh that's an awful combined range and it shows how heavy and inefficient the car is. My Volvo XC60 PHEV only has about 50km EV-only range, but combined with its 75 litre tank it can easily do 1000km, no problem.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

#54

Post by diggan »

belltaco wrote: post #40
diggan wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’ll bite the bait I guess I'll do the same? Why have curious conversation when you can assume the worst? > Tesla sales this Q have been suppressed by people awaiting model refreshes You're just saying "Tesla had less sales because of bad $X" with fancier words. The importance is not why Tesla fucked up (that's up to them to figure out), but that they're now being surpassed even though they had a huge headstart.

Included in the stat are $10K cars sold in China, maybe Tesla doesn't want to compete in the extreme low end just like Apple doesn't make $150 phones. Being a profitable barely #2 in a large and growing market is somehow fucking up? If you are world #2 in your field of work do you consider yourself a failure and that you fucked up? That's a sad existence.

> If you are world #2 in your field of work do you consider yourself a failure and that you fucked up? That's a sad existence.

Personally, I wouldn't, I don't care what "position" I'm at, as long as I have enough. But I'm fairly sure that Musk would take that as a failure, especially if you've been #1 for a bunch of quarters and suddenly you aren't.

(Musk has repeated many times that he wants Tesla to be the biggest automaker [by volume] https://dallasexpress.com/business-markets/teslas-goal-large...)

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

#55

Post by belltaco »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #44
belltaco wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm guessing that Musk's unwillingness to work with the rules and norms in the markets Tesla is trying to enter, will be Tesla's downfall. Hopefully Tesla could somehow get rid of Musk as it seems like he is constantly holding Tesla back quite a bit. Like what? Source(s)?

Well, the last example is unions in Sweden. I‘m sure you can google that yourself?

They edited that in after I asked for sources instead of putting it in a reply, and didn't mark it as a later edit. Can't google something that's not there. Not to mention google shows that Tesla sales increased in Sweden in Nov and December 2023 compared to the same months in 2022.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

#56

Post by gambiting »

bink wrote: post #24
osti wrote: post #6

It can also do 360 degree self centered turn, which should be useful. No more 3 point turns! Given the flexibility of installing the motors, I've always wondered why electric cars still can't move in a parallel way. That should be very handy when parallel parking.

Rivian advertised this feature as well but disabled it, for obvious reasons.

What's the reason? It's not obvious to me at all, sorry.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

#57

Post by slim »

api wrote: post #10

I see China coming for the US auto industry, and fast. It’s 100% the fault of our industry for sitting around doing nothing but repackaging old technology in overpriced chonker trucks and trying to obstruct the EV transition with disinformation. All they want to do is sell the same mediocre gas guzzler forever. Innovators’ dilemma strikes again. Of course I guess Japan decimated US auto last time. It was kinda the sa…

   I see China coming for the US auto industry, and fast.
that would be the case if US was a free market. Any Chinese product will be banned if it becomes too successful

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

#59

Post by kccqzy »

Etheryte wrote: post #17
diggan wrote: post #2

Seems like BYD has surpassed Tesla as the biggest EV maker as of the end of 2023: https://www.ft.com/content/716c9b0b-d8cd-491a-a91b-d70c1e540... ( https://archive.is/LOiYh ) I'm guessing that Musk's unwillingness to work with the rules and norms in the markets Tesla is trying to enter, will be Tesla's downfall. Hopefully Tesla could somehow get rid of Musk as it seems like he is constantly holding Tesla back quite a…

This is a stat that people keep bringing up while completely ignoring the fact that many of BYD's vehicles are not marketable outside of China because they're just rip-offs of other manufacturers' vehicles. See BYD S8 [0] and Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class [1] for one example, but there are numerous. This should tell you everything you need to know about this company. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_S8 [1] https://en.…

You are choosing an example from more than a decade ago, at a time when not even Chinese people chose BYD vehicles. To wit the S8 sold 103 units. Things have changed. You are ignoring the fact that plenty of BYD's vehicles are already marketed and sold in Europe, other Asian countries, and Australia.

Re: BYD's YangWang U8 launched, can float on water for 30 minutes and sail 3km/h

#60

Post by osti »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #38
bink wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rivian advertised this feature as well but disabled it, for obvious reasons.

Obvious reason is immediate tire wear?

I think I wasn't being clear, the wheels basically have to rotate perpendicularly to the cars body, so there wouldn't be any extra tire wear.
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