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Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Vim/Neovim is practically instant, everything else it too slow in my book.

Yeah turns out the language server and other IDE features are resource intensive. Who knew. TextEdit also starts in under a second.

Why not starting them asynchronously? That's how Neovim does it. The editor starts instantly and the language server integration is enabled once the language server is active.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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It is supposed to be fast, but starts up in “seconds”. Shame.

Doesnt' really matter in my daily life if some IDE takes 0.1 or 10 seconds to start, since it's done so rarely. Might be more annoying with an editor if you're opening files often, then it starts to add up. Or if the editor is slow with editing and scrolling big files, like VSCode is.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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As a long-term pycharm user that recently migrated to VSCode im quite happy to see jetbrains building this. My main gripe with their stack is that I work across many languages and workflows and I like to use the exact same keymaps configurations and so on and pycharm just didn't give you that. I really love the idea of the virtualized file system allowing you to develop anywhere. I hope this works well. Comparably, V…

Why not use intellij ultimate? You can easily add all the language plugins (mod clion based ones).

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Over year ago JetBrains released a post showing they don't understand why VSCode eats their market: > Still, we don’t deny the information could be a bit skewed – even with the weighting we give to our survey results – given that this is from the JetBrains State of Developer Ecosystem survey, and one of JetBrains main products is IntelliJ IDEA. However, that is not to say that this is not totally unreasonable, as if…

> People moved from IntelliJ to VSC because it was faster, simpler and language-agnostic, instead JetBrains blamed users for not using advanced features like CPU profiling which most people don't use daily. They are jumping on simple-editor train now. Better late than never From my experience, most people who nowadays start programming, flock to vscode because it's free, used in most tutorials and then they simply do…

VSCode has debugging built in and can connect to various runtimes.

Not that I ever use that - I prefer sticking with the language native tools, and I rarely require anything beyond inspecting runtime values and simple benchmarking.

Maybe this comes from the perspective of Java, where you need an IDE to do proper debugging, building/starting an application requires a gazillion command line arguments, and you have layers upon layers of abstraction to drill through? Those are pains worth taking away, but don't apply to all languages or platforms.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Little bit offtopic; I try jetbrains ide's every time I get a new laptop; lately Rider for a 1m+ LoC c# project on my 16gb m1. It is unusable. I like the features but it is so incredibly slow... and it gets even slower as the day goes on.

Have you waited for indexing to finish?

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Over year ago JetBrains released a post showing they don't understand why VSCode eats their market: > Still, we don’t deny the information could be a bit skewed – even with the weighting we give to our survey results – given that this is from the JetBrains State of Developer Ecosystem survey, and one of JetBrains main products is IntelliJ IDEA. However, that is not to say that this is not totally unreasonable, as if…

> People moved from IntelliJ to VSC because it was faster, simpler and language-agnostic, instead JetBrains blamed users for not using advanced features like CPU profiling which most people don't use daily. They are jumping on simple-editor train now. Better late than never From my experience, most people who nowadays start programming, flock to vscode because it's free, used in most tutorials and then they simply do…

Vscode is more than suitable for big projects, Its not just for hello world projects. VSCode is best tool for TypeScript/JavaScript/Dart. For Java/C# it probably is not.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Huh, just the other day i was talking about how JetBrains products succeed in being some of the best IDEs around, but fail at the use case of just wanting to edit text files, where Notepad++, Visual Studio Code, Emacs, Sublime and vim could all be preferable to it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29362960

And then JetBrains come out with this... That's certainly pleasant to see!

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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I really hope it's free too. Otherwise it makes no sense. As a customer paying for full IDE(Rider) I won't kneecap myself by paying for vscode alternative, even though I really hate working in vscode. If they make it free, they could get a big chunk of the market, especially if they actually provide it with IntelliJ level of autocomplete, refactorings, multicursor support etc. They have quite a lot of money from regu…

>If they make it free, they could get a big chunk of the market, especially if they actually provide it with IntelliJ level of autocomplete, refactorings, multicursor support etc. If they did that, then why would anyone buy IntelliJ? I understand why Microsoft came out with VSCode. They didn't have anything to offer for developers who weren't already bought into the Windows/.Net stack. VSCode was an effort to reach o…

IntelliJ is clunky as ef, and slow as hell. It's really powerful but feels really ancient, and isn't native on anything. I hate Java. I hope this is their attempt to completely bypass the old platform and create a new product from scratch, starting with vscode parity but eventually reaching the power of IntelliJ and replacing it wholesale.

I don't know if that's their actual intent, but I can hope.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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As a long-term pycharm user that recently migrated to VSCode im quite happy to see jetbrains building this. My main gripe with their stack is that I work across many languages and workflows and I like to use the exact same keymaps configurations and so on and pycharm just didn't give you that. I really love the idea of the virtualized file system allowing you to develop anywhere. I hope this works well. Comparably, V…

Why not use intellij ultimate? You can easily add all the language plugins (mod clion based ones).

Why? Because I'm a second class citizen in a java IDE. No thanks. The marketing is also quite clear on the target audience https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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> DOA without vim bindings though. The number of users pining for Vim and Vim bindings is greatly exaggerated.

The IntelliJ vim plugin has over 11 million downloads. For comparison, the most downloaded plugin is Kotlin, which has 34 million downloads, followed by Scala, which has 22 million downloads.

Even I have Kotlin downloaded, and I've never ever used it.

Number of downloads is a rather poor proxy for actual usage.

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