Although I only speak English I greatly appreciate the fact their blog is available in so many other languages.
Are their IDEs interfaces available in multiple languages too?
Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains
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Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains
#72Looking through the features, and the similarity of the architecture, looks like this is meant to compete with VS Code. Even the Settings implementation has the same global/user/workspace hierarchy; there's the 'trusted' code concept too. The one thing that might make it stand out is the smart mode: lightweight editor by default, and enabling it brings in the heavier IDE features. Anecdotally I've stopped using Jetbr…
What do you see as poor Linux support?
Not op, but for me the lack of native Wayland support is a deal breaker. And running it through XWayland has various issues (focus is broken, issues with HighDPI screens, etc).
If Fleet supports Wayland natively I might give it a try, otherwise it's dead on arrival for me.
Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains
#73I really hope it's not Electron-based.
Apparently it's not: https://twitter.com/himanshub16/status/1465238053979447296 In the thread someone from JB mentions it's mostly JVM + some Rust
Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains
#74To me it sounds like this is used to test a rewrite of all their IDEs because it is written from scratch. I can imagine if this becomes a succes they will update all their IDEs or use Fleet as the new platform.
Over year ago JetBrains released a post showing they don't understand why VSCode eats their market:
> Still, we don’t deny the information could be a bit skewed – even with the weighting we give to our survey results – given that this is from the JetBrains State of Developer Ecosystem survey, and one of JetBrains main products is IntelliJ IDEA. However, that is not to say that this is not totally unreasonable, as if we look at other surveys, IntelliJ IDEA is usually one the most used IDEs, and usually has around a 55-60% share of users. VS Code is growing which is concerning, not from a competitive point of view but actually from the point of view that there is clearly a lack of understanding of what an IDE gives you. VS Code is a code editor with some features that you’d find in an IDE, and extensions that can provide additional functionality – so if people are turning to VS Code for developing it may imply that developers don’t know what a fully-featured IDE can give them. In the web space it is understandable to use an editor as web developers are typically working with dynamic languages, and often use other tools like browser plugins to give them what they need. But in Java, especially professional Java, you really get a lot out of a good tool that has integration with the application server and you can really use the analysis and refactoring and everything.
Specifically this part:
> VS Code is growing which is concerning, not from a competitive point of view but actually from the point of view that there is clearly a lack of understanding of what an IDE gives you.
https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2020/09/a-picture-of-java-in...
People moved from IntelliJ to VSC because it was faster, simpler and language-agnostic, instead JetBrains blamed users for not using advanced features like CPU profiling which most people don't use daily. They are jumping on simple-editor train now. Better late than never
Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains
#75Little bit offtopic; I try jetbrains ide's every time I get a new laptop; lately Rider for a 1m+ LoC c# project on my 16gb m1. It is unusable. I like the features but it is so incredibly slow... and it gets even slower as the day goes on.
Just in case you haven't tried that yet, increase the IDE's memory heap size. That solved the problem of sluggishness for me.
Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unlikely. The rest of their programmers toolset are mostly java based.
Google translate from a dev vacancy: You will be surprised, but we decided to create a new IDE from scratch and put together a bold team with a proven success track in creating tools inside JB. And right now we have a prototype and a bunch of bicycles. Our program consists of several parts that communicate with each other over the network. The first part is an editor that is written in a new cross-platform UI framewo…
Now that's interesting, let's hope it's not immediate mode based and is closer to SolidJS (without Virtual DOM) than modern React, which clearly has no long-term future.
Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really hope it's not Java mess either: no Wayland support, lags
To be fair, Wayland is still new (compared to how long Java has existed), and Java/OpenJDK may improve support in the future.
Wayland is almost 15 years old by now, and it's on track to be enabled by default on most distros as well.
Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains
#78Fleet is not open source, offers little over VS Code and is not as fully featured as the full JetBrains IDE's. Who are intended to use this?
The program isn't even publicly available yet. How can you conclude that it provides little over VS Code? And why does it matter that it's not open source?
> And why does it matter that it's not open source?
Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains
#79Looking through the features, and the similarity of the architecture, looks like this is meant to compete with VS Code. Even the Settings implementation has the same global/user/workspace hierarchy; there's the 'trusted' code concept too. The one thing that might make it stand out is the smart mode: lightweight editor by default, and enabling it brings in the heavier IDE features. Anecdotally I've stopped using Jetbr…
I've been using WebStorm exclusively on Linux with i3 for more over 3 years. I haven't run into any issues with it at all. Even the JetBrains Toolbox and automatic updates works fine.
Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains
#80Fleet is not open source, offers little over VS Code and is not as fully featured as the full JetBrains IDE's. Who are intended to use this?
People like me who like all the other JetBrains IDEs and have a toolbox subscription anyway.