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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by danpalmer »

hintymad wrote: post #585
danpalmer wrote: post #540

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> His team has 10 people. Two of them can write code for analytics and models. The other 8 "manage projects", whatever that means. Not disregarding your point, I think we all agree Boeing sounds like bureaucracy hell, but could it be that the 8 who are "managing projects" are in fact managing contractors or outsourced employees who are writing code? I worked with a large multi-national fashion company, and they had a…

Unfortunately no. They are just an internal team that take internal requirements from different orgs and does not handle contractors or vendors.

Damn. I was hoping there was a charitable explanation! This is a pattern I've seen several times and while it's not ideal I don't think it's as bad as what you described.

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Post by talldatethrow »

nephanth wrote: post #862
talldatethrow wrote: post #824

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How are immigrants not driving up housing costs? Aren't they using housing? Isn't housing driven by supply and demand?

The "demand" in supply and demand means "how much money are people able&willing to invest into x" For illegal immigrants, the answer to that is "not a lot"

I assure you, they have enough money to rent a home or apartment. Most are not homeless. To say even 1% of illegal immigrants are homeless a year after arriving would be a stretch.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Post by mm0070 »

cptcobalt wrote: post #436

Back in 2019, I made a lil microsite covering the 737 MAX groundings. Didn't think I'd have to update it again. https://www.isthe737maxstillgrounded.com/ It's chilling that both Alaska knew of pressurization issues in prior flights in this aircraft, and Boeing was already trying to get the FAA to look past known safety issues in the 737 MAX 7 certification. "Safety is our top priority"? Ha, absolutely not.

You've got a typo in there - it's spelled Ethiopian

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Post by kegoakwpfk »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #836
pkulak wrote: post #758

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Yeah, not to be totally insensitive, but 45,000 Americans died on our roads last year and basically no one has even a single fuck to give about it. For some reason all we ever complain about is the only safe transportation system we have.

People most certainly do give a fuck. The ones who are trying to fix it -- and the only ones who have a shot at it -- are held to impossible standards, far beyond what we hold humans to. A handful of accidents, even when they're not actually at fault, is enough to get an entire autonomous driving project shut down. What we're hearing in this thread, from people who have clearly never done much of anything, is that pa…

Ehhhh tightening bolts and not building MCAS with a single sensor and flight computer, whilst hiding the changes and selling a warning light…

If this is a genuine comment it’s worth thinking about why you reached straight to defend egregiously bad engineering and manufacturing.

Self driving is a different risk profile, even if you engineer it to the best of human knowledge — people still don’t understand why, and can’t ask why, the system in control of multiple ton vehicles being beta tested ‘in production with human lives’ and marketed as FSD, makes the decisions it makes. Or at least they can’t immediately tell it not to drive into trucks. Which is quite a straightforward thing to ask of a driving control system.

None of those asks are perfection, or more than we’d expect from a child let alone ‘humans’ as a species

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Post by RGBCube »

cptcobalt wrote: post #436

Back in 2019, I made a lil microsite covering the 737 MAX groundings. Didn't think I'd have to update it again. https://www.isthe737maxstillgrounded.com/ It's chilling that both Alaska knew of pressurization issues in prior flights in this aircraft, and Boeing was already trying to get the FAA to look past known safety issues in the 737 MAX 7 certification. "Safety is our top priority"? Ha, absolutely not.

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On the bottom of the page. Might wanna look into that

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Post by panick21_ »

InTheArena wrote: post #680

Almost all of this can be laid specifically to the moment when Boeing passed over Alan Mullally for its next CEO in favor of a bean counter. Mullaly went to Ford and rescued that company. If Boeings board were serious about a true turnover here, they need to try and find Mullally And get him on the board right now. At this point the best outcome that I see is a BCA sale to Lockheed. That’s a high order, Elon tried to…

Given Ford relentless push for more pickups and systematic reduction in all smaller cars. I would say Ford killed about few 1000x more people the Boeing ever has. And they have equally done a huge amount to prevent regulation, both in terms of safety and fuel economy. The US still doesn't even test how well cars do against pedestrian. The list goes on and on.

We hold Boeing to a much, much, much higher standard. And that is a good thing. So to give this guy credit when he has been involved with Ford, a company that has done an incredible amount to make the world more unsafe, we should maybe not just to conclusions about how much saver boing would be with him.

That said, safety at Boeing even from a business perspective would have been different, so his intensives there are very different.

If we actually ever want to really deal with traffic accidents, we need to approach it with the same systematic root-cause analysis and immediate action principles.

That is what they have stared doing in some of the leading countries and its amazing. Every accident leads to adjustment in the infrastructure, Identifikation of other locations with the same potential issues and updated road standards.

Unfortunately we are still far to lax, on actually regulating the cars themselves and far to forgiving on cars, car company and drivers. The arms raise of 'my car is bigger then your car' shouldn't be allowed. Cities shouldn't allow these horrible F-150 type cars into them at all. The list goes on.

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Post by panick21_ »

dm319 wrote: post #809
Eduard wrote: post #722

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> It’s not that much worse than airbus was at after their A320 flew into a forest and they hid the flight data recorders,... This one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_296Q Doesn't read like "they" = Airbus hid the recorders.

Comparing Boeing's woes to the A320 crash is to take a false middle ground. The A320 crash was the result of pilot risk taking for the purpose of showing off the plane. It didn't happen as the inevitable consequence of a company that prioritised profits over safety and had established management culture and government relationships to enable that.

The Pilot literally turned off safety features on the plane. They simply miscalculated and didn't plan properly. They had not even seen the place where they wanted to fly this demonstration. It was incredibly reckless.

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Post by nvm0n2 »

acdha wrote: post #457
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Not a good example. Google reinterviewed every DoubleClick employee and fired half of them.

That doesn’t say anything about whether it’s a good example: even if it’s true, the real question would be whether they looked for the right things and especially who they kept at the management level – at the time, Google announced they were laying off a quarter of the employees due to redundancy, which tends to mean that groups like HR and accounting get hammered more than senior managers. This is especially import…

The Google interview process at that time was definitely not tuned for selecting the charismatic lol. I was there at the time and I can't recall anyone from DoubleClick management surviving, only engineers. It was a bloodbath.

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Post by dcow »

diob wrote: post #866
dcow wrote: post #735

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America is not founded on capitalism and our judicial system is not innately born from it. Not saying capitalism via corporate lobbying and bribes hasn’t had an effect on the notion of justice , but our foundational legal principles exist outside of our nation’s choice of economic policy.

No one said it was founded on capitalism. But that is our economic policy, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

For the judicial system’s behavior to result from capitalism would imply that our economic policy is baked into our foundational doctrine. I was just pointing out that capitalism did not beget our legal system.

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Post by Roark66 »

user_7832 wrote: post #804
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And that is why I think it is absolutely, mind bogglingly bonkers that Tesla is currently using "drive by wire" in a mass production car when this technology is not common in aviation at all. Only the huge airliners that benefit from extremely expensive maintenance schedules use full "fly by wire".

Drive by wire isn’t the problem. You already have tons of electronics in a 10 year old car, from the ECU to ABS. However, there are relevant important standards and certifications in aviation, and I’m not sure if vehicular certs are as strict.

>Drive by wire isn’t the problem

Yes it will be when you loose all power while going 80mph on a motorway because rodents ate the wiring 10 years later.

"tons of electronics" in modern cars is not required for the most basic functionality such as steering and braking. Yes, you loose power steering and power breaking if it goes off, but you can still drive (unless maybe you've never driven without it and it surprises you during a high speed takeover manouver etc).

This "drive by wire" takes away the most essential security feature present in "all" cars up to now. A direct mechanical connection between the steering wheel and the wheels. Even manufacturers of small airplanes (like "executive" 8 seater jets) say "no way" to this tech unless it controls an auxiliary control surface.

Putting it in a production car that will get crashes, it will corrode (yes copper wiring and insulation corrodes too), it will get attacked by rodents and it might get driven in 50 years from now as a "classic" is sheer, unabridged, stupidity of the highest order.

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