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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Some of the comments in this thread are talking about government corruption and safety issues but I think we should put something into perspective. Not a single passenger has died on a commercial flight in the United States in the last five years, and even then, it was a single fatality in a freak occurrence. To me, that’s not government corruption but mind boggling success. To put that into perspective, you have a s…

Thanks. I feel so much better now.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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post #564

Made in America! And america can't understand why people go elsewhere...

Please, let's keep this at a higher level than Reddit :)

Sometimes, 'reddit-style' (whatever the fuck that may infer) comments are necessary...er, in a functioning society. You could have just ignored it?

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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post #753

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Airplanes are inherently much, much less reliable than cars and only reach reliability through however many millions or billions of dollars worth of redundant systems and maintenance intervals and however many man-hours. That means that when you get on an airplane, you are extremely reliant on those systems and processes having been followed. We are seeing more and more that these systems and processes have been brea…

And that is why I think it is absolutely, mind bogglingly bonkers that Tesla is currently using "drive by wire" in a mass production car when this technology is not common in aviation at all. Only the huge airliners that benefit from extremely expensive maintenance schedules use full "fly by wire".

Drive by wire isn’t the problem. You already have tons of electronics in a 10 year old car, from the ECU to ABS. However, there are relevant important standards and certifications in aviation, and I’m not sure if vehicular certs are as strict.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

#805

Interesting timeline. Following the two fatal crashes involving the MCAS system and the 737 Max … The FAA gave Boeing until Dec of 2022 to implement a fix. The fix was to reconfigure the 737 Max with 2 sensors (instead of one) and include an manual shutoff Guess what happened? Boeing didn’t fix anything.. instead they cried to congress that the fix is too expensive and they cannot get it done. So what happens is cong…

There should be people on life sentences for manslaughter of 346 people that happened as a result of corporate greed and a company culture which made company profits the only important metric of success.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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post #792

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my case it was not more expensive, no. But I was flying in Europe. Not sure about the US. They just use them for the quieter flights where they have trouble filling up a 737. I was dreading it because the last time I flew on an airliner this size it was a 717 and it was horrible. Very noisy in particular (I was seated right beside the engine I have to say). The Embraer was really delightful and it has under-wing e…

Here in the US basically all the regional airlines use them. Horizon Airlines is one that I know of specifically, and Wikipedia lists Sky West, Envoy Air, Mesa Airlines, Republic Airways, JetBlue, etc, etc. Many of them contract for the more well–known airlines like Delta, US Airways, and so on, so you could end up on an Embraer even if you don’t seek it out.

A lot of those are the smaller and older regional jets like

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_ERJ_family

which personally I like less than

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Canada_Dash_8

The newer and larger E-Jets are on a whole different level in terms of comfort.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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post #775

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Only commercial. If you add in General Aviation with some random poorly maintained Cessnas from the 70s piloted by some randoms in their 70s then it's a completely different picture.

I've heard that private aviation and private driving have comparable accident rate, which makes sense. Now I wonder how's the rate of both public transportation.

According to this chart https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/home-and-community/safety-topics... buses and trains have 0.02 to 0.04 deaths per 100,000,000 miles travelled. This compares to 0.01 deaths in the commercial aviation. So pretty much on par, but if you switched to deaths per hours of travel, which is IMHO better statistic, assuming that a average plane flights say 10 times faster than a bus/train (800km/h vs 80km/h which seems reasonable) then the commercial aviation is actually less safe, but not by a big margin either, within the same order of magnitude.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

#808

Good book describing the cultural change from engineering-focus to business-focus of Boeing: * https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/55994102-flying-blind * https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/646497/flying-blind...

The Netflix series Downfall is very good and focuses a lot on the root causes of these technical issues (i.e. business-focus of the company).

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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post #722

Almost all of this can be laid specifically to the moment when Boeing passed over Alan Mullally for its next CEO in favor of a bean counter. Mullaly went to Ford and rescued that company. If Boeings board were serious about a true turnover here, they need to try and find Mullally And get him on the board right now. At this point the best outcome that I see is a BCA sale to Lockheed. That’s a high order, Elon tried to…

> It’s not that much worse than airbus was at after their A320 flew into a forest and they hid the flight data recorders,... This one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_296Q Doesn't read like "they" = Airbus hid the recorders.

Comparing Boeing's woes to the A320 crash is to take a false middle ground. The A320 crash was the result of pilot risk taking for the purpose of showing off the plane. It didn't happen as the inevitable consequence of a company that prioritised profits over safety and had established management culture and government relationships to enable that.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

#810

Interesting timeline. Following the two fatal crashes involving the MCAS system and the 737 Max … The FAA gave Boeing until Dec of 2022 to implement a fix. The fix was to reconfigure the 737 Max with 2 sensors (instead of one) and include an manual shutoff Guess what happened? Boeing didn’t fix anything.. instead they cried to congress that the fix is too expensive and they cannot get it done. So what happens is cong…

Single item spending bills ftw
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