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Right wing provocateurs are already having their supporters posting the n-word, racist and anti LGBTQ content since Elon took over. It is going to be fun watching it implode.

none of this is fun

Twitter was a bad idea - a global town square - humanity is not ready for such a concept.

A small minority will always be the one to fark up things for others - see griefing in MMO and why moderators and banning is needed.

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> In the real world, sure. Can you point at one? A council with "widely diverse viewpoints" that is actually an effective, tie-braking decision maker?

Sure. The Oversight Board. Facebook did exactly this years ago. oversightboard.com/decisions

Interesting! Glancing at the board, there is a clear makeup of highly educated, decorated, democratic, liberal-ish people. I would be hard pressed to call this setup one that focuses on "wildly diverse viewpoints".

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i've typed this 1000 times. this is a win/win either elon musk is the business genius a lot of people think he is (I think he is this) and he turns Twitter around and it's awesome. else twitter fails and doesnt exist. net positive for the world and net negative for Elon, also good for humanity .

Big room for middle ground in there of "Elon is good at some things, bad at others, Twitter muddles around as a net negative for the world." I wouldn't be so quick to assume that Musk's ~15 recent years of experiences with mechanical/aerospace/production-engineering businesses is gonna translate perfectly to whatever Twitter is supposed to be.

Musk's MO is in creating new markets in ambitious new areas. I see no evidence of his ability in turning round failing old companies with old, below-par products.

Maybe being forced to buy it (it's probably already halved in value at least) will make him think twice before gobbing off in future though.

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> It has only been very, very recently that we have gone from "gender is a social construct" to "sex is a social construct." What? Since when is sex a social construct?

I think they’re being glib, but sex absolutely is a social construct. What exactly constitutes THE properties of the female and male sex is defined by society more than biology. For example, people who have androgen insensitivity syndrome develop perfectly normal looking “female” bodies, but their genetic sex is “male”. People generally still consider those individuals to be “female”. If you want to get down to it, a…

I found these articles to be a good overview on this topic --- the change of interpretation between "sex" and "gender", and defining characteristics of "woman" within the context of feminist philosophy:

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-gender/ https://aeon.co/essays/do-analytic-and-continental-philosoph...

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He clearly didn’t mean to go this far, but Twitter out lawyered him and locked him into an airtight contract. His hubris bit him in the ass this time.

This is one of the problems with putting rich and successful people like Musk on a pedestal--it makes it seem like they can't make dumb, ego-driven mistakes. Irrational behavior gets interpreted as some 4D chess move that us mortals can't wrap our head around.

Exactly. It's like when people thought it was some amazing play so he could sell loads of tesla stock without tanking it. No, because if it was he would have given himself loads of getouts. Instead he gave up rights to all DD. Just arrogance IMO and he had to pay the price.

Now it's operation "get money back". He'll probably hold it for 5-10 years until tech stocks recover then IPO to try to foist it on his gullible fanboys. Until then he just needs to not scare off advertisers and cut costs enough to afford his debt repayments.

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This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

Don't forget he's super anti-remote-work which is going to scare a way a good 30% of the employees anyway

People hate to hear it on HN but you really don't need 10000+ employees to run a glorified forum site and Musk is going to prove it once again.

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The piece satirized the confusion between sex and gender. It has only been very, very recently that we have gone from "gender is a social construct" to "sex is a social construct." It's still a highly debated topic and well within the public sphere of debate. Also, this person was a public official and was in the news from general news outlets (named Woman of the Year) which puts them well within the public realm of…

> It has only been very, very recently that we have gone from "gender is a social construct" to "sex is a social construct." I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say that sex is a social construct. Gender yes. And that gender and sex are orthogonal. And that gender is a spectrum but sex in humans is binary. Maybe I missed the evolution of the conversation but I don’t think I’ve seen any volume of argument that sex is a soc…

The earliest most popular publication that posited that "sex is a social construct" might be Butler's Gender Trouble. This article is a pretty good overview on the evolution of the discourse on this topic:

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-gender/#SexGenDi...

(I linked straight to the section on sex as a social construct, but the whole article is worth a read.)

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Diversity of viewpoints is good, even if they are all "wrong" with various amounts of "nuggets" of truth. The futile exercise of preventing someone from hurting someone else's feelings, is the main casualty, and that's a very very good thing.

"vaccines cause mild autism" Misinformation has real world impact

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Mostly the fact that they completely ignore accessibility. In fact, if Twitter did want to improve the user experience, automatic OCR of such text and generation of the corresponding alt tag would be a practical improvement. In fact, general recognition of the content of an image and auto generation of an ALT tag would be a significant improvement. ... But that require them to do actual machine learning as opposed to…

OCR is a solved problem. It's like one call to tesseract and you're done. The fact they haven't done this just shows how inept their employees are.

Tesseract has a horrific API and decades of technical debt. Add to this, it's also very sensitive to fonts. So... yeah, OCR is 'solved', but that doesn't mean it's easy.

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This is vague, but you're hoping to end the political oppression of trans people? > restore sanity to science and biology based cultural agreement What does this mean, like scientific studies on how to get people to agree?

Rather the opposite. Return to sanity with gender defined by biology and provide mental health treatment for trans.
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