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Post by cmh89 »

catiopatio wrote: post #609
jl6 wrote: post #593

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Generally we consider jokes to be cruel when they mock an affliction that someone didn’t choose to have. You can just about get away with making such jokes about the abstract idea of an affliction, but when you name someone directly it crosses a line. Whether you think this particular example was cruel depends ultimately on whether you think it is targeting the individual’s gender dysphoria (the thing they didn’t cho…

I take your point, but would suggest the joke is more pointedly aimed at society generally, and the magazine specifically. What makes the joke funny and culturally relevant — as opposed trivial cruelty — is that it represents a simple, forbidden truth for which one will be subject to severe public censure and deplatforming. Comedy is a final bulwark against uncritical thinking, and can be used to deflate ludicrous id…

>Comedy is a final bulwark against uncritical thinking, and can be used to deflate ludicrous ideas that are otherwise culturally unassailable.

Comedy can inspire thoughfullness and push back against societal norms. Comedy can also be a way to normalize bullying marginalized people. Being a troll and saying 'But wait, I'm being funny!' still makes you a troll. It's not like the account in question was trying to generate thoughtful discussion. Punch-down comedy is just dressed up hatefullness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8yV8xUorQ8

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Post by slg »

smegger001 wrote: post #642
slg wrote: post #432

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>It has only been very, very recently that we have gone from... Would you have said the same thing about ridiculing someone for being openly gay in government 30 years ago, being Catholic in government 60 years ago, or being Black in government 80 years ago?

>being Catholic in government 60 years ago you mean like the then current president John f Kennedy?

I guess I could have said 62 years, but yes I was specifically referencing JFK. His Catholicism was a major topic at the time of his election. Many people questioned whether he would defer political decisions and general loyalty to the Pope. He had to give speeches professing his belief in the separation of church and state. However by the time we got ready to elect our second Catholic, no one seriously questioned Joe Biden about it.

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Post by andsoitis »

thelopa wrote: post #608
mbesto wrote: post #427

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> It has only been very, very recently that we have gone from "gender is a social construct" to "sex is a social construct." What? Since when is sex a social construct?

I think they’re being glib, but sex absolutely is a social construct. What exactly constitutes THE properties of the female and male sex is defined by society more than biology. For example, people who have androgen insensitivity syndrome develop perfectly normal looking “female” bodies, but their genetic sex is “male”. People generally still consider those individuals to be “female”. If you want to get down to it, a…

Isn’t the fact that we separate gender and sex because one (gender) is a social construct while the other (sex) isn’t?

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Post by partiallypro »

andsoitis wrote: post #656
partiallypro wrote: post #406

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The piece satirized the confusion between sex and gender. It has only been very, very recently that we have gone from "gender is a social construct" to "sex is a social construct." It's still a highly debated topic and well within the public sphere of debate. Also, this person was a public official and was in the news from general news outlets (named Woman of the Year) which puts them well within the public realm of…

> It has only been very, very recently that we have gone from "gender is a social construct" to "sex is a social construct." I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say that sex is a social construct. Gender yes. And that gender and sex are orthogonal. And that gender is a spectrum but sex in humans is binary. Maybe I missed the evolution of the conversation but I don’t think I’ve seen any volume of argument that sex is a soc…

There are many pieces now that proclaim biological sex (not gender) is a social construct. There are pieces in Forbes, Psychology Today, Professor curriculum, etc that are now saying this. I would say it was fringe if it weren't for the fact that it's been elevated by major publications.

When I was younger "gender is a social construct" mostly meant that if you were a man you were allowed to enjoy feminine things and if you were a woman, you could be a tomboy, etc. It also applied to trans individuals. However, that has shifted heavily over the last few years to be something very different and has gone so far as to go fully to the extent that sex (not gender) at birth is up for debate (even outside of Turner Syndrome or Intersex births.)

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Post by andsoitis »

rayiner wrote: post #674
andsoitis wrote: post #656

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> It has only been very, very recently that we have gone from "gender is a social construct" to "sex is a social construct." I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say that sex is a social construct. Gender yes. And that gender and sex are orthogonal. And that gender is a spectrum but sex in humans is binary. Maybe I missed the evolution of the conversation but I don’t think I’ve seen any volume of argument that sex is a soc…

Orthogonal means uncorrelated. Sex and gender are in reality highly, though not perfectly, correlated.

Concur. What’s a better word/phrase?

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Post by fleddr »

jmyeet wrote: post #646
mikkergp wrote: post #7

This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

So I believe your comment to be in good faith but it's overly optimistic. First, whenever it comes to "free speech" 99% of the time people make that argument they're not arguging for "all speech". They're talking about "my speech". And most of that time they really just want to utter hate speech. Second, the idea of what's normal or acceptable is built on deeply ingrained beliefs that typically aren't rational. You s…

I would agree that the (economic) policy of the democrats is center-right, but culturally the party definitely has a far-left voice. Radical feminism, postmodernism, anti-racism Mao struggles, gender puzzles. And to use the overused term "wokism".

Wokism is culturally dominant, but widely rejected all the way from center-left to anything to the right of that.

Republicans are economically right (so not extreme right), yet have a far-right outing, as you say.

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Post by bcrosby95 »

duxup wrote: post #50
mikkergp wrote: post #7

This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

>maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience It's either going to be a double standard or not. I moderated a busy gaming site for years. Users have nothing to do but re-post what got someone else banned and then complain things aren't consistent. I would find the idea that a politician gets to say things, but I don't completely absurd.

Things start to get weird when you're talking about heads of state and/or official government policy.

If the contents of a law violates Twitter's TOS, can we not disseminate it on Twitter?

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Post by fleddr »

Waterluvian wrote: post #264

I got a 7 day ban for a tweet that included “political suicide pact” as an idiom. I then got permanently banned for including the line, “sending their children to die in Ukraine” in a tweet. The “appeal” button causes me to get a denied email within one minute. This tells me no humans are in the loop on any of this. I don’t think these tweets were controversial or require any diversity of viewpoints. They just requir…

I reported a tweet where somebody threatened to kill somebody. One day later they came back to say that it's fine, actually.

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Post by enumjorge »

matwood wrote: post #623
Krasnol wrote: post #472

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Obviously not or he wouldn't have gone so far in the first place.

He clearly didn’t mean to go this far, but Twitter out lawyered him and locked him into an airtight contract. His hubris bit him in the ass this time.

This is one of the problems with putting rich and successful people like Musk on a pedestal--it makes it seem like they can't make dumb, ego-driven mistakes. Irrational behavior gets interpreted as some 4D chess move that us mortals can't wrap our head around.

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Post by illuminati1911 »

mikkergp wrote: post #7

This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

”(probably less action on more contentious issues, but you still can't use racial epithets and call for violence)”

This hasn’t been the case until now. Just as an example lot of radical leftists, BLM activists etc. have openly called for extermination of white people and contantly used racist rhetoric without any consequences. Meanwhile a lot of convervatives, libertarians etc. have been banned/suspended from Twitter due to false ”hatespeech” reporting.

No one has ever asked for ”hounds to be released”. No one sane wants Twitter to become another 8chan. What people want is the one-sided 1984 experiment to end.

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