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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by ayushnix »

broknbottle wrote: post #830
ayushnix wrote: post #752

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> and not buying laptops with terrible linux support but I wouldn't paint the situation as this tragic. Please tell me the name of a laptop which has excellent support for Linux. At this point, I'm ready to go out of my way to spend more money than I can afford if that gets me excellent Linux compatibility. I know, for a fact, that AMD based ThinkPads don't qualify. The Intel based FrameWork laptop has issues with su…

Dell XPS 9360

Not usable for me because it needs fractional scaling.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by ayushnix »

fulafel wrote: post #802
ayushnix wrote: post #595

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Ah right, Linux, the platform where suspend and resume doesn't even work and hibernation is a mess. AMD https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-S2id... s2idle is broken and I have an AMD thinkpad with deep sleep and even that doesn't suspend 80% of the time. Intel (search for 'deep' and 's2idle') https://community.frame.work/t/ubuntu-21-04-on-the-framework... I already know the replies I might get but…

Linux has reliable sleep on many more laptop models than mac os. But the rule is that you need to buy known good hardware that supports Linux to have a frictionless experience. (Yes this means you often have to buy something that's been on the market for a bit of time already.) Anecdotally I've had less sleep problems than mac-using coworkers, over a long time and many laptops.

> you need to buy known good hardware

What is this "known good hardware"?

I was thinking of somehow getting my hands on the FrameWork laptop since everyone and their mother keep singing praises about it but going through its forums makes it clear that it also doesn't do suspend and resume reliably.

I've already seen plenty of people reporting that their AMD laptops don't do suspend resume and break with every new kernel release. I assumed Intel would be better but reading about the same issue on FrameWork forums isn't encouraging at all.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by noptd »

brokencode wrote: post #695
silverpepsi wrote: post #693

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I actually had windows go so far as to start a laptop inside a tightly packed backpack around 3am for updates or whatever and restart chrome and start blasting YouTube advertising full volume when I needed to be up early the next morning. Disrupted sleep or potential house fire...Microsoft is beyond shameless and have been brazenly so for at least 20 some years now.

I doubt it intentionally started playing a YouTube video, so I don’t see how this is a shameless act. Most likely it just launched whatever you had open after it restarted or something. I seriously doubt Microsoft is making profit off of YouTube ads in Chrome.

I'd imagine shameless refers to Microsoft's lack of consideration when it comes to the second order effects of decisions like these.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by CamperBob2 »

rantingdemon wrote: post #795
wutbrodo wrote: post #732

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This isn't a "lately" thing. In 2007, a friend of mine postponed his Windows updates often enough that the machine just restarted to install updates _in the middle of the day while he was using it_. This wasn't a glitch either: there was an Update pop-up that just informed him "fuck you I'm restarting in X minutes". I'm in awe at how much contempt some guy at Microsoft must have for users and their use-cases to conce…

I'm in two minds on this. As a user, it does irritate me that I'm forced to put all my work on hold to install updates. However, as a security professional, I think the general population doesn't understand just how critical it is to stay up to date with software updates. Sometimes we have to force them!

No. No, you don't have to "force them."

It's my computer, you see. It's not yours. You're welcome to buy your own, of course. But this one is mine. That's why they call it a "Personal Computer."

The rest of us aren't going to let you turn the Internet into the modern equivalent of a closed IBM shop, at least not without opposition. There's a history here, one you might be too young to have experienced personally. It's been well-documented, though. Steven Levy's Hackers is a great place to start, highly recommended.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by sillysaurusx »

0des wrote: post #743
sillysaurusx wrote: post #631

So has anyone's bag actually caught fire due to this? If so, can we put it in a Dell commercial? Just grab any old Dell advertisement stock footage and dub it with fire alarm noises and a spouse yelling in the distance "honey, your room caught fire again!"

I had a backpack melt because of this. There is a hole through and through, about the size of a half dollar.

Can I bribe you for a photo of it? That’s amazing.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by reassembled »

mtone wrote: post #771
bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #648

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Forget the overheating — the fact that Macs will save all your work when shutting down, and will refuse to shut down if this is not possible (for instance if some app that doesn’t support autosave (MS office) has unsaved work, or if there are terminal jobs running). Can’t imagine how anyone tolerates their computer just obliterating their work.

Unsaved work should be a concern of the app, not the OS. The app should obey the commands of the OS, and handle auto-saving on its own to keep fulfilling its duties to the user. Apps that let you risk losing work -- from not just shutdowns but crashes and power outages - are the ones I don't tolerate. It's one of the reason I use Sublime Text for taking notes for example.

VSCode has excellent work preservation. I’ve had multiple Windows in VSCode open for months, with many “unsaved” documents open, and it always reloads everything after reboots and shutdowns.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by JoBrad »

fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

This really sounds like a hardware issue. I have had a Lenovo Carbon X1 for 3.5 years and have never had this issue with it.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by _abox »

oauea wrote: post #663
GekkePrutser wrote: post #594

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My Mac did that too but I tracked it to Wake on LAN, some random probes from other equipment were walking it up sometimes.

What kind of evil IoT crapware is sending WoL packets to random devices on the network?

It wasn't actual WoL. It was broadcasts. For some reason it woke the Mac up when WoL was switched on. We're taking 2015 or so so I don't have the packet logs anymore but I was able to replicate it by resending them.

So the fault is really the Mac's. It should only accept real well formed WoL packets with its own Mac address.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Vrondi »

oauea wrote: post #659
naikrovek wrote: post #537

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I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows. I've never had it return with "unknown" once in over a decade, but some people I know have. if you can find all the things waking the computer, and fix those things, it will never wake without user intervention. usually, for me, it's been device…

Power & Sleep settings > Additional power settings > Change plan settings > Change advanced power settings > Sleep > Allow wake timers > Disable

This "Allow Wake Timers" option does not exist in this location on my PC.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Vrondi »

tzs wrote: post #504
fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

I've got a Surface Pro 4. It was great for the first year or so, when I was using it as a tablet on the couch for browsing, reading, and as a digital scratchpad. I then got an iPad via a ridiculously good deal from Comcast (128 GB 6th generation (which was the latest generation at the time) for $120. The iPad took over most browsing, reading, and scratchpad duties, with the SP4 just getting occasional use when I need…

There was a particular Windows Update, after which my Surface Pro started doing this more and more, and it eventually fried the battery to the point of not being able to charge enough to even get the data off. I loved that thing, but I didn't get another Surface.
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