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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #724

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Macs sleep on low battery, then hibernate RAM contents to disk when really really empty. You never lose data.

Right, so the same as Windows.

A common theme I've noticed with the most ardent mac fans is they haven't used a windows machine since windows 95 and seem to think osx has all these magic features windows users are missing out on.

I use mac and windows daily, and they both have similar amounts of annoying niggling features.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

The lack of respect for users is really shocking lately.

This isn't a "lately" thing. In 2007, a friend of mine postponed his Windows updates often enough that the machine just restarted to install updates _in the middle of the day while he was using it_. This wasn't a glitch either: there was an Update pop-up that just informed him "fuck you I'm restarting in X minutes".

I'm in awe at how much contempt some guy at Microsoft must have for users and their use-cases to conceive of a feature like that. One imagines Microsoft thinks of all of their users as yokels doing nothing more important than playing Solitaire all day.

It solidified in my mind the impression that Windows is not meant to be run on any machine you consider more important than a toy.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #672

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I'm not unfamiliar with Linux and I've been looking into switching recently after a long string of Windows "features" causing problems, but unfortunately gaming isn't the only area Microsoft has an advantage. Linux still doesn't support HDR, for instance. It also has a lot of problems with desktop compositing, because the switch from X to Wayland is at the point where neither of them are good options. That's not even…

Why is anyone interested in HDR? 16M colors should be enough for anyone. I do have minor issues when scaling my 4K screen to a lower resolution, and starting a fullscreen game, but that’s about it.

I personally hate the color banding you get from things like big drop shadow radiuses in webpages. Look at them from juuust the wrong angle and... war flashbacks to Windows 3.1 in 256 colors.

I'm not sure if newer tech has better viewing angles than my old (but not that old) IPS LCD, but having having greater color depth to represent color fades with finer progression, and having more pixels to spread the fade across (hidpi), does sound like a nice step forward to me.

~"1.07 billion colors" though? Ehhh, I can't deny that does feel like overkill, but I'm honestly not even sure if there's a way to fix the above problem with a smaller colorspace.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Typically linux users (like myself) enable S3 sleep mode, which does exactly what most folks expect it to (sleep until a user action is taken). It's rock solid and I've never had a problem with it in ~8 years.

Yes that part works, the issue is when you wake up the laptop, half the system is broken.

What are you referring to in particular? I've never had anything be broken, in 15 years of exclusive Linux use.

Though I don't share the confidence half this thread has that my experiences are universal, so I'm curious what you're referring to that I've managed to avoid.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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I own XPS 13 9380 with Windows 10. Same mess with the sleep. I have to carry the laptop in the bag when commuting. You never know what it is doing when lid is closed. There is no lights on the laptop to indicate its state so I just usually put it to my ear and listen until the fan goes off after closing the lid. Then it is semi safe to put it into the bag. Feels like stone age. Things are just getting worse with Wind…

Writing this from my 2019 XPS 15 7590 i9 with (extended) 64 GB RAM. The OLED display quality is still the best any laptop can offer, but that's where it ends. Had countless issues with sleep, reboots after being "killed in sleep" for going over Windows sleep "battery drain limit" (can be increased in registry but hey), wifi/bt issues after wake-up, short battery endurance, fan noise (mitigated by undervolting w/ Thro…

> Windows 11 just reinforced my disbelief that Microsoft can produce usable operating system before our civilization reaches Singularity.

You may be right; I can't believe it's been 13 years since Microsoft's last go at writing the kernel for it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity_(operating_system)). So sad they gave up :(

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #661

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Forget the overheating — the fact that Macs will save all your work when shutting down, and will refuse to shut down if this is not possible (for instance if some app that doesn’t support autosave (MS office) has unsaved work, or if there are terminal jobs running). Can’t imagine how anyone tolerates their computer just obliterating their work.

So just like Windows since... 7? Or something like that. I can guarantee you that a Mac will still shut down when its battery is empty. Unfortunately Apple hasn't yet cracked unlimited power.

Windows will routinely shut itself down to do updates and obliterate things that have not saved.

> I can guarantee you that a Mac will still shut down when its battery is empty.

Macs "safe sleep" --- when they sleep, they save a hibernation/ram state too. So if the battery is depleted, they still do not shut down.

I'm probably going back to MacOS after my current Windows 10 machine, because too many annoyances have shown up (and now ESC keys exist again).

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #552

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I'll chime in as well from my 2020 XPS 17. This issue is incredibly frustrating. It's worth switching over, however I don't really know where to go for a premium laptop. I'm not very interested in a Mac. HP and Lenovo have given me tons of problems in the past (which is why I switched to Dell). From this thread it seems like several other vendors have similar problems to this Dell one. What options are there?

I really like the Lenovo X1s with Linux, no issues, great luck with hardware so far (on my second one). I also have a MacBook Pro, and I gotta say I like the Lenovo with fedora better.

Same, use a macbook and carbon X1.

Only thing the Macbook does noticeably better is speaker quality which isn't surprising given the size difference.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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I absolutely agree that microsoft could and should make this work better. But the pragmatic workaround is the setting to force hibernation when you close the lid. You can resume from SSD in 10 seconds. No middle of the night wakeups. Much improved battery life.

The funny thing is that the "modern standby" was supposed to improve the wakeup time from a couple of seconds to a faction of a second. But effectively it turned the wakeup into 10 seconds because you have to disable the modern standby and use hibernate instead.

The whole idea of modern standby is brain dead.

My laptop isn't a cellphone, I don't need it periodically waking up to check emails or whatever, it can do it when I open the lid.

Thankfully my laptop has an option to force S3 only in the bios.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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I have an XPS 9500 and have found this infuriating. I think there's two separate things going on: As others have noted, S3 sleep isn't supported, only S1 "sleep to idle" sleep. But I don't think this is the direct cause of the overheating. In S1 sleep, the laptop can average something like 900mW of power usage, which is enough to annoyingly knock a few percent off your battery overnight, but not enough to make the la…

I've seen issues with Modern Standby on my fleet of Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga L13 and L13 Gen 2. Usually everything is fine, but sometimes they get super hot in standby as well. It's like something is keeping the CPU awake but the rest of the hardware is asleep (including the fans). My older units (ThinkPad Yoga 260, ThinkPad Yoga 370, ThinkPad L380 Yoga, ThinkPad L390 Yoga) never had any problem like this because they do…

My lenovo laptop has an option to force S3 standby in the bios, you just choose "Linux" instead of the default "Windows 10" sleep mode.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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post #159

I had a Dell XPS 9310 until about 3 months ago when suddenly one of the fans died on me for no obvious reasons while I was in quarantine. Given that the fans are now soldered onto the mainboard, Dell was offering me to repair this for almost the same amount I paid for the whole laptop 2 years earlier. Needless to say that this was the last time I will buy a Dell. Since I am located in Asia, I also went to one of the…

Apple as well. I have a 2018 15" Macbook Pro with problems: - The battery is dying - The touchbar flickers whenever it is 'off' - a hardware fault that requires the full top case to replaced[1] - Quotes of $400-1200. And things that aren't technically problems but still have the same, can't do anything about it stuck with the problem vibe: - I keep running out of space, but it's soldered to the logic board - Keyboard…

My laptop battery and full top case (potentially including the touch bar - I'm not sure) were replaced when the keyboard was replaced under the keyboard service program: https://support.apple.com/keyboard-service-program-for-mac-n...

Go into an Apple store and say a few of your keys are double-pressing sometimes.

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