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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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BitAstronaut wrote: post #437
filmgirlcw wrote: post #387

This is one of the main reasons I just returned my XPS 13 9310 and got a Framework instead. The sleep/standby/hibernate stuff is just bad. I don’t know if it is a Dell problem or a Windows problem or what, but it’s terrible. I’m primarily a Mac user but I haven’t had the same issue with other Windows laptops and the Dell has standby issues in Linux too so it’s just bad. And loud. And hot.

This is about the tenth time I’ve seen someone reference a framework laptop in the last couple of days. Is it a new company?

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by IncRnd »

mnadkvlb wrote: post #434
algismo wrote: post #403

I own XPS 13 9380 with Windows 10. Same mess with the sleep. I have to carry the laptop in the bag when commuting. You never know what it is doing when lid is closed. There is no lights on the laptop to indicate its state so I just usually put it to my ear and listen until the fan goes off after closing the lid. Then it is semi safe to put it into the bag. Feels like stone age. Things are just getting worse with Wind…

Recently bought a 7390 latitude (2-3 years old). amazing machine for basic remote desktop and basic office work etc. Battery lasts 10+ hrs on light work. Had the sleep states turned on and would randomly die at 60% battery while sleeping. Found out its a long standing bug in dells. Sometimes it just restarts the machine so if its in a bag it will just keep running. Turned of sleep states in firmware and instead now i…

The laptops can enter a special standby mode that keeps the network alive, so they will immediately resume when the lid opens. This means, of course, that the laptops never actually shut down and run constantly.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by darzu »

errantspark wrote: post #436

Imagine if we had the technology to, when a laptop was in a hibernated or off state to use some sort of a mechanism to physically disconnect the battery. I know this is absolutely crazy but it seems to me that this would solve these problems in a foolproof way that wouldn't lead to the situation where your mission critical piece of equipment has killed it's battery, or itself entirely because it decided to do somethi…

I think this is a good idea. Like a physical disconnect for camera and mics. At some level, I just don’t trust software, especially nothing as complex as an OS, to do the right thing 100% of the time.

Although frankly I’ve never had issues like this with a Mac. I’ve never taken a mac out of a bag and had the battery dead or laptop hot.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by kingaillas »

BitAstronaut wrote: post #437
filmgirlcw wrote: post #387

This is one of the main reasons I just returned my XPS 13 9310 and got a Framework instead. The sleep/standby/hibernate stuff is just bad. I don’t know if it is a Dell problem or a Windows problem or what, but it’s terrible. I’m primarily a Mac user but I haven’t had the same issue with other Windows laptops and the Dell has standby issues in Linux too so it’s just bad. And loud. And hot.

This is about the tenth time I’ve seen someone reference a framework laptop in the last couple of days. Is it a new company?

Framework just started shipping their hardware, so perhaps all these mentions are people that have received their preorders (or read about people receiving their preorders). https://frame.work/

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Mathnerd314 »

BitAstronaut wrote: post #437
filmgirlcw wrote: post #387

This is one of the main reasons I just returned my XPS 13 9310 and got a Framework instead. The sleep/standby/hibernate stuff is just bad. I don’t know if it is a Dell problem or a Windows problem or what, but it’s terrible. I’m primarily a Mac user but I haven’t had the same issue with other Windows laptops and the Dell has standby issues in Linux too so it’s just bad. And loud. And hot.

This is about the tenth time I’ve seen someone reference a framework laptop in the last couple of days. Is it a new company?

Laptop company that famous youtuber invested in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framework_Computer

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by fxtentacle »

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wake you up. And the next day, your unsaved open documents are all gone. Plus as described here, many Windows 10 laptops will either burn themselves, or the battery will be empty whenever you need em.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by riccardomc »

BitAstronaut wrote: post #437
filmgirlcw wrote: post #387

This is one of the main reasons I just returned my XPS 13 9310 and got a Framework instead. The sleep/standby/hibernate stuff is just bad. I don’t know if it is a Dell problem or a Windows problem or what, but it’s terrible. I’m primarily a Mac user but I haven’t had the same issue with other Windows laptops and the Dell has standby issues in Linux too so it’s just bad. And loud. And hot.

This is about the tenth time I’ve seen someone reference a framework laptop in the last couple of days. Is it a new company?

https://frame.work/

Definitely considering it when my current X1 carbon will trespass into laptops Valhalla.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by IncRnd »

6jQhWNYh wrote: post #409
filmgirlcw wrote: post #387

This is one of the main reasons I just returned my XPS 13 9310 and got a Framework instead. The sleep/standby/hibernate stuff is just bad. I don’t know if it is a Dell problem or a Windows problem or what, but it’s terrible. I’m primarily a Mac user but I haven’t had the same issue with other Windows laptops and the Dell has standby issues in Linux too so it’s just bad. And loud. And hot.

It's definitely a Windows issue. I've had it with non-XPS Dells and completely different brands like Eluktronics.

Microsoft calls it a Windows Feature, though. Microsoft's Modern Standby is what causes this.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/dev...

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by ypcx »

algismo wrote: post #403

I own XPS 13 9380 with Windows 10. Same mess with the sleep. I have to carry the laptop in the bag when commuting. You never know what it is doing when lid is closed. There is no lights on the laptop to indicate its state so I just usually put it to my ear and listen until the fan goes off after closing the lid. Then it is semi safe to put it into the bag. Feels like stone age. Things are just getting worse with Wind…

Writing this from my 2019 XPS 15 7590 i9 with (extended) 64 GB RAM. The OLED display quality is still the best any laptop can offer, but that's where it ends. Had countless issues with sleep, reboots after being "killed in sleep" for going over Windows sleep "battery drain limit" (can be increased in registry but hey), wifi/bt issues after wake-up, short battery endurance, fan noise (mitigated by undervolting w/ ThrottleStop). (In case I may sound too dramatic, check their forums: https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/bd-p/XPS)

Then there's the classic Windows Laptop "goodness" like bad keyboards, bad trackpad (too much scrolling, jagged scrolling, bad trackpad surface), necessity to emulate Linux/Git/Wsl/Cygwin for any real dev work, having elaborate install.txt procedures for setting up a new laptop.

I wanted to have a "beefy" machine but since I can now do my play things on Google Colab (and my work on company's Macbook), I just ordered the last year's M1 Macbook Air and I'm done with this Dante's Inferno of Windows Laptop ecosystem. Windows 11 just reinforced my disbelief that Microsoft can produce usable operating system before our civilization reaches Singularity.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by IlliOnato »

BitAstronaut wrote: post #437
filmgirlcw wrote: post #387

This is one of the main reasons I just returned my XPS 13 9310 and got a Framework instead. The sleep/standby/hibernate stuff is just bad. I don’t know if it is a Dell problem or a Windows problem or what, but it’s terrible. I’m primarily a Mac user but I haven’t had the same issue with other Windows laptops and the Dell has standby issues in Linux too so it’s just bad. And loud. And hot.

This is about the tenth time I’ve seen someone reference a framework laptop in the last couple of days. Is it a new company?

https://frame.work

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/frameworks-new-light...

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