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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by oauea »

bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #648
radicalbyte wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

Forget the overheating — the fact that Macs will save all your work when shutting down, and will refuse to shut down if this is not possible (for instance if some app that doesn’t support autosave (MS office) has unsaved work, or if there are terminal jobs running). Can’t imagine how anyone tolerates their computer just obliterating their work.

So just like Windows since... 7? Or something like that.

I can guarantee you that a Mac will still shut down when its battery is empty. Unfortunately Apple hasn't yet cracked unlimited power.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by seqizz »

I have a 9310, it took some time to realize the laptop was not sleeping because it has no indicators. After some digging I realized the culprit was sensors which woke the system immediately after any slight movement. I'm now removing intel_hid module automatically before sleeping, no more issues since. But I must admit, this fault is moronic.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by oauea »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #594
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #566

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>> 10% of the time it wakes at like 2am and power cycles my monitor every 30 seconds waking me up My thinkpad does the same. Wtf is up with that?

My Mac did that too but I tracked it to Wake on LAN, some random probes from other equipment were walking it up sometimes.

What kind of evil IoT crapware is sending WoL packets to random devices on the network?

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by pitterpatter »

superjan wrote: post #411
algismo wrote: post #403

I own XPS 13 9380 with Windows 10. Same mess with the sleep. I have to carry the laptop in the bag when commuting. You never know what it is doing when lid is closed. There is no lights on the laptop to indicate its state so I just usually put it to my ear and listen until the fan goes off after closing the lid. Then it is semi safe to put it into the bag. Feels like stone age. Things are just getting worse with Wind…

I absolutely agree that microsoft could and should make this work better. But the pragmatic workaround is the setting to force hibernation when you close the lid. You can resume from SSD in 10 seconds. No middle of the night wakeups. Much improved battery life.

That won't always save you, there have definitely been bugs where it tries to hibernate but gets stuck

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by tablespoon »

nielsbot wrote: post #605
lvs wrote: post #565

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This truly an antifeature.

Similar to PowerNap from Apple https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/what-is-power-nap-m... Although I don't think Apple recommends not keeping your laptop in a bag.

> Similar to PowerNap from Apple

That seems pretty easy to turn off. I just checked my Mac and it's disabled, and the description around the setting was clear enough for me to know I didn't want to touch it with a ten foot pole.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by mjaniczek »

fxtentacle wrote: post #608
naikrovek wrote: post #537

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I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows. I've never had it return with "unknown" once in over a decade, but some people I know have. if you can find all the things waking the computer, and fix those things, it will never wake without user intervention. usually, for me, it's been device…

Haha I should have mentioned that one as a repeat offender. After the Surface wakes up, reboots, makes noise, gets hot, and drains 20% of its battery, if I then run "powercfg.exe /lastwake" it'll pretend that it did not wake up X_X And in my case, there wasn't any non-Microsoft drivers on the system. The issue appears to be that they do magical stuff when they spot a WiFi connection, or when my WiFi router does its d…

Offtopic:

> or when my WiFi router does its daily reboot.

Damn, I think that might fix 99% of the issues I have with my WiFi router.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by mjaniczek »

radicalbyte wrote: post #485
fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

One interesting tidbit is that Macbooks will (don't know since when) start booting up if you press any key after having shut the laptop down.

That's a bummer when you want to go clean your keyboard and don't want the laptop running at the same time.

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Post by samstave »

dboreham wrote: post #657
samstave wrote: post #637

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"Not melting a hole" Ha! While not related to the bag issue, I had a 15" MBP literally catch fire in my bed while I was asleep. I fell asleep wat hing Netflix or some such and the macbook caught fire and woke me up. It was in the recall batch for batteries at that time. I took it to apple flagship SF store. They had the FN machine for two months then came back and said that at some point the moisture sensor went off…

Were you binge watching "Halt and Catch Fire"?

Ironically, that was about the same time it came out...

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by myself248 »

oauea wrote: post #660
pavel_lishin wrote: post #599

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> I know it's too late to help you But it's not too late to help others! Thank you for showing us how insane this is.

What's insane here? Waking the machine up is a legitimate use case, and it's easily traceable and configurable.

A machine doing something I didn't tell it to is insane.

I am the user. I use the machine, not the other way around.

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