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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Groxx »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #576
dubya wrote: post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really miss the "snoring" light that Macbooks used to have, though more to tell if the computer is actually waking up.

I really don't get why they left the light off them. It's not something that takes any space at all and they can even make it invisible when off with their micro holes like they did with the old Bluetooth keyboard. Sometimes it seems Apple is just minimalist for the sake of it. Because this is really a useful feature.

I doubt lasering those holes is particularly cheap, i.e. likely much (much) more than the cost of a big hole with an LED.

But I do very much like them, and would happily pay a bit to get it back.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by BluePen8 »

radicalbyte wrote: post #485
fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.

Same, I was in university and kept showing up to class with my Dell Inspiron having killed it's own battery in my bag regardless how carefully I put it into sleep/hibernate.

Or I'd find it nearly dead and burning hot, fans spun up wildly, in the process of cooking it's own motherboard.

It heat suicided itself through 2 motherboards during the 1 year warranty.

I have my complaints about MacBooks, but at least I had a laptop I could count on being reliable and ready to work when I showed up to class every day.

I couldn't trust the Dell, making it absolutely worthless.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by gambiting »

naikrovek wrote: post #578
gambiting wrote: post #572

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows. I'm one of those people - my computer kept waking up in the middle of the night and that command would always just return "wake source: unknown" for me.

are there devices which are allowed to wake your computer? powercfg -devicequery wake_armed if anything shows up, disable those devices with this command: powercfg -devicedisablewake "Device Name" I quickly googled this but I don't expect a lot of people to know what to search for, so if you've already found this and tried it, then I really am out of ideas this time. if you haven't tried this, try it, and I really ho…

I got rid of that PC a year ago :P But trust me, I tried literally every trick in the book, including the one above. No devices had the capability to wake up the PC(yes, including the mouse and the keyboard), disabled all wake timers, disabled all networking(in fact unplugged the ethernet cable).....it would still wake up in the middle of the night. It was the most confusing thing I ever dealt with in computers.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by matsemann »

naikrovek wrote: post #537
fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows. I've never had it return with "unknown" once in over a decade, but some people I know have. if you can find all the things waking the computer, and fix those things, it will never wake without user intervention. usually, for me, it's been device…

I had this problem for months with my computer booting randomly some nights, waking me because of its loud fans. Turns out it was our dog pushing my desk chair so that the armrest bumped some key on the keyboard.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by nielsbot »

lvs wrote: post #565
tablespoon wrote: post #515

> All newer Dell laptops now use the Microsoft Modern Standby. So let me guess: "modern" here is indicates a shitty new thing that doesn't work as well as the old thing. ...after further reading, yep: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/dev... > On occasion, the system stays in the active mode (with the screen off) for a longer interval of time. These longer active intervals occur for a variety o…

This truly an antifeature.

Similar to PowerNap from Apple

https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/what-is-power-nap-m...

Although I don't think Apple recommends not keeping your laptop in a bag.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by Groxx »

ayushnix wrote: post #595
Phileosopher wrote: post #496

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Same sentiment, and that's how I found Linux. I've now made it a solemn vow to convert every daily driver I have to dual-boot Win/Linux when it's a >100GB HD.

Ah right, Linux, the platform where suspend and resume doesn't even work and hibernation is a mess. AMD https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-S2id... s2idle is broken and I have an AMD thinkpad with deep sleep and even that doesn't suspend 80% of the time. Intel (search for 'deep' and 's2idle') https://community.frame.work/t/ubuntu-21-04-on-the-framework... I already know the replies I might get but…

This has been my experience as well, with a fairly wide variety of nixes/bsds/etc and a half a dozen different machines.

Now I just disable it completely and tell it to shut down when I close the lid, and wait like 15s. If the fans and lights don't stop "soon", I know it's having problems turning off. It's much better than the random freezes, or boiling alive in a backpack before draining all battery power.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by fxtentacle »

naikrovek wrote: post #537
fxtentacle wrote: post #446

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows. I've never had it return with "unknown" once in over a decade, but some people I know have. if you can find all the things waking the computer, and fix those things, it will never wake without user intervention. usually, for me, it's been device…

Haha I should have mentioned that one as a repeat offender. After the Surface wakes up, reboots, makes noise, gets hot, and drains 20% of its battery, if I then run "powercfg.exe /lastwake" it'll pretend that it did not wake up X_X

And in my case, there wasn't any non-Microsoft drivers on the system. The issue appears to be that they do magical stuff when they spot a WiFi connection, or when my WiFi router does its daily reboot.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by filmgirlcw »

bobthecowboy wrote: post #399
filmgirlcw wrote: post #387

This is one of the main reasons I just returned my XPS 13 9310 and got a Framework instead. The sleep/standby/hibernate stuff is just bad. I don’t know if it is a Dell problem or a Windows problem or what, but it’s terrible. I’m primarily a Mac user but I haven’t had the same issue with other Windows laptops and the Dell has standby issues in Linux too so it’s just bad. And loud. And hot.

Yup, I bought that same model (to run Linux) on a long time reputation for Dell XPS on Linux and the power management is ridiculous. Absolutely terrible. Unplugged, mine won't hold a charge for more than a day unless it's shut all the way down. It loses something like 5% of battery power an hour. A buddy has one that's previous gen and it actually sleeps correctly.

Yeah, that’s the most frustrating thing, the prior models don’t seem to have this issue. It’s a shame because the laptop is so expensive, and it’s otherwise a beautiful device.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Post by fxtentacle »

naikrovek wrote: post #578
gambiting wrote: post #572

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows. I'm one of those people - my computer kept waking up in the middle of the night and that command would always just return "wake source: unknown" for me.

are there devices which are allowed to wake your computer? powercfg -devicequery wake_armed if anything shows up, disable those devices with this command: powercfg -devicedisablewake "Device Name" I quickly googled this but I don't expect a lot of people to know what to search for, so if you've already found this and tried it, then I really am out of ideas this time. if you haven't tried this, try it, and I really ho…

I wish I had known about this.

That said, the tablet felt so infuriating to me that I was honestly happy when it was gone again, despite the financial loss.

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