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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Anyone who's working on making driving a car unbearable has my vote! My bicycle has a single chime and it's manually operated.

Solidarity. Cars belong in the rubbish bin of history. The Soviet Union had the right idea, as usual--make cars unbearable to drive to encourage public transportation.

I don’t think you’ve ever lived under SU rules.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Those alarms are pretty much mandated by law. So it's politicians/law makers who "design" those alarms. This smells like inexperienced engineers designing something and then being surprised by side effects. Sadly there's a severe (temporal) disconnect between making the law and seeing its results in person.

I suspect there are plenty of politicians who subscribe to the ‘cars are evil’ mindset and are content with making the driving experience increasingly miserable.

The thing is, the "walking experience" can be pretty miserable as well. Road fatalities still are unacceptably high in Europe, even if we're better than the US.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Did a quick research and saw that in 2024 there were around 12k deaths in which one or more drunk drivers were involved. Doesn’t seem like much for a country with around 350 million people. In comparison, drug causes 7x those deaths. Cancer and heart diseases even more.

12k is obviously a large number of preventable deaths, especially, and it's a huge difference with diseases, when you consider that some of those deaths are people getting killed by drunk drivers. I don't think there is any acceptable number of people that did absolutely nothing wrong getting killed by a drunk or inattentive driver.

If you simply lock everyone up for their whole lives, you can prevent all kinds of deadly accidents. Eventually, somebody will argue that we are all morally obliged to accept being locked up for this reason.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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As a European: Absolutely not. Never, will not comply, will do everything in my hacking power to not be subjected to this.

This is invasive, the others like Lane "assist" is just outright dangerous. Yanking my steering wheel while I'm driving? WTF? The lines on the road, in many EU cities, are mere suggestions. Especially during road works. I've had two times where I almost killed the bicyclist because the STUPID KIA SPORTAGE thought it knew better.

And now I'm filmed during driving? No. NO!

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Ford has had that since Blue Cruise 2.0, or thereabouts. It really shocked me how often it catches my attention being diverted. Things like talking to my passengers, adjusting the climate controls, or eating- I'm not even talking about 'advanced distractions' like my phone. It also seemed really accurate. I never remember it beeping at me when I was actually paying attention. It's totally plausible to me that this ki…

> adjusting the climate controls, Well if they hadn't removed climate control buttons , this would not be a concern! Not being able to easily adjust climate settings is very much a safety concern. And the fact that it beeps at you is them acknowledging it!

The fact that it beeps at you is also them blaming you for the problem.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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I hired a Chinese Haval Car for a weekend last year (Australia). It started beeping at me for being distracted because I was checking for traffic in the other lanes - which is crucial when driving in a 4 lane highway. Of cause, I had never experienced such a beep before, so I had to take my eyes off the road tp look at the screen to see what the reason for the beeping was. Then, on a multlane highway, I would indicat…

> The whole point of indication is to signal my intention to move, so that the car in my blind spot creates room for me to merge into their lane. That is definitely not the point of a turning signal. The car that's already in the lane has right of way and it's your responsibility not to plow into them. If they opt to make room for you, great (that's just courteous driving), but it's not an obligation. If you can't se…

The one time I rented a car with this feature, it claimed there was a car in my blind spot when there was none. It seemed to be reacting to a car that I had already determined was clear of my path.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Boeing found out the problem with "beeping" alarms. The first time they installed a warning horn, I think it was the stall warning, it was a big success. So, they started adding different horns for other situations. At one point, in an emergency, the pilot got confused about which horn meant what, and had an accident. So now, Boeing replaced horns with a voice, like "pull up". Sounds obvious, right? But car beeps gen…

> But car beeps generally give no clue what they're beeping about. Can't speak to all vehicles, but my VW ID3 clearly indicates what the issue is on the dashboard. So if it's the lane-keeping assist it highlights which lane(s) it is monitoring and it provides a written prompt on screen (e.g. "drive in the centre of the lane") if it's not happy. If the speed limiter is on it shows the current signed speed limit in the…

You’d be surprised. A family member bought a 2025 utilitarian car (Dacia). It’s the one on the newer platform (Clio 6) so they can implement all the beeping mandated by law.

The car beeps exactly the same way whatever the reason so you can’t tell why. It even beeps when it thinks the speed limit has changed (up or down)… it’s infuriating to drive this car, there is a beep about something every minute or two. You can’t even tell what it’s beeping about.

Luckily there is a shortcut button near the dash that you can press to disable all these idiotic beeps. You have to do it every time you restart the car. It does make it feel like all these beeps are pointless since you can’t tell what they’re about and press the button to disable them all as soon as you start the car anyway…

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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I've gotten beeps and something flashed on the instrument panel, but when I focused my eyes on the instrument panel, it was gone. Freakin' useless. A better user interface would be to have the whole panel turn red when you're about to hit something.

I with my car had an accessible log of these notices. Another example, my car gives you a safety score at the end of every drive, out of 100. When I get less than 100, there's no information about what I might do to improve my score, and ostensibly, drive more safely.

> no information about what I might do to improve my score

That’s what the beeps are for!

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Anyone who's working on making driving a car unbearable has my vote! My bicycle has a single chime and it's manually operated.

Solidarity. Cars belong in the rubbish bin of history. The Soviet Union had the right idea, as usual--make cars unbearable to drive to encourage public transportation.

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