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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by organsnyder »

quickthrowman wrote: post #166
organsnyder wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have two vehicles with lane keeping (a 2017 Chrysler and a 2025 Ford). Both of them work quite well. The system in the Chrysler will nudge you back if you drift outside of your lane, while the system in the Ford will do that plus automatically stay centered in the lane when cruise control is active. I have driven vehicles that have lane departure warnings without lane keeping, and they're much less useful.

Maybe I drive more defensively than most but I almost never drive in the center of the lane unless I am in a ‘middle’ lane with lanes on either side. I drive with my tire riding the correct side of the solid line demarcating the shoulder, people (especially pickups hauling trailers, pro semi drivers are usually good) are really bad at staying in their lanes so I sometimes drive onto the shoulder to prevent an acciden…

I typically stay in the middle of the lane, but will drift to one side when I'm passing a vehicle that is wider or potentially erratic. I've never noticed lane-keeping fighting me when there's a car next to me; I wonder if they use the blind spot sensors to detect when to give some leeway in these situations.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by FunHearing3443 »

avaer wrote: post #75

"The cars have all have cameras checking for bad behavior, why shouldn't your phone and laptop?" said the esteemed lawmaker. "Oh course there will be exceptions for politicians and authorized individuals, for national security reasons."

I think part of this acceptance of the "well if it saves one [usually child's] life..." - it's extremely powerful but is deceptive as it devalues the value of freedom (or some similar trait).

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by aftbit »

rdtsc wrote: post #66
drnick1 wrote: post #26

1) Unplug the cellular modem. 2) Unplug the camera or put a piece of blackout tape over the lens. 3) Enjoy!

2.5) Your car doesn’t start 3) Enjoy I will start now but I think not for long. “For your own safety we disabled your car”.

2.75) Test this during the test drive

3) Do not buy car

3.5) Buy a different car

3.75) There are no different cars

4) Buy an old car from 2014 and maintain it carefully

4.25) Give up driving

4.5) Become a hermit

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by BeetleB »

awakeasleep wrote: post #9

Ford has had that since Blue Cruise 2.0, or thereabouts. It really shocked me how often it catches my attention being diverted. Things like talking to my passengers, adjusting the climate controls, or eating- I'm not even talking about 'advanced distractions' like my phone. It also seemed really accurate. I never remember it beeping at me when I was actually paying attention. It's totally plausible to me that this ki…

> adjusting the climate controls,

Well if they hadn't removed climate control buttons, this would not be a concern!

Not being able to easily adjust climate settings is very much a safety concern. And the fact that it beeps at you is them acknowledging it!

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by tjwebbnorfolk »

gf000 wrote: post #23
nickslaughter02 wrote: post #5

The EU is quickly becoming the surveillance capital of the world.

For not letting people snooze off behind the wheel?

It's so incredible the difference in mindset across the Atlantic.

In the US, it is MY job and no one else's to make sure I don't fall asleep driving my own car. In the same way it's my job to make sure I don't leave my stove on and burn down the apartment building. Should we also install cameras on every stove in every apartment?

If the US government tried to force-install cameras into our cars to watch us, there'd be a revolution.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by stavros »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #98
stavros wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell me you live in a civilised country without telling me you live in a civilised country. Over here, in Greece, whenever you try to avoid a pothole, a double-parked car, a cyclist, a pedestrian, a stray, ANYTHING, lane assist always tries its best to make you hit whatever you're trying to avoid.

Earlier this year, I rented a new Toyota Camry (US model). It had lane assist, but it was very easy to override it. I didn't really have to fight it. (And that was nice. I've drive other cars where it was more of a battle.) So, yeah, it's done badly some of the time. But it at least can be done well.

I don't know, even if it's not that forceful, sometimes I have a light touch on the wheel and I'm going straight, I don't want to suddenly have to fight the car swerving me onto oncoming traffic.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by TacticalCoder »

stackghost wrote: post #148
drnick1 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot the bike lanes that take up road space but nobody uses. Every socialist mayor's favorite anti-car policy.

>You forgot the bike lanes that take up road space but nobody uses. Where I live (city in the PNW), bike lanes see heavy use year-round.

Where I live there lots of little hills: the city is made of lots of hills. Even with electric bikes, it's really horrible to drive in the city.

But you see bicycles on the bike lanes, lots of bicycles. When it's summer time and when it's not raining.

Otherwise the people are all in their cars.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by jaggederest »

ur-whale wrote: post #220
aucisson_masque wrote: post #198

What prevent you from putting a sticker over it ? 0.1€ cost, can be removed in case of control otherwise you can pretend the camera wasn't working. End of story... Honestly, I'm all for more automated system while driving because I drive but I also bike and walk. Some people are complete nuts that shouldn't have their license and the least you can do is hold their hand, with as much algorithm as you can, like they ar…

> What prevent you from putting a sticker over it ? Because it'll beep.

That sounds like a hardware issue that might be soluble in "wire cutters and a bad attitude", or at minimum "hot air resoldering station, microscope, and a bad attitude". I wonder what their software stack is like, too.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by mrtksn »

tjwebbnorfolk wrote: post #226
mrtksn wrote: post #132

The headline is wrong. The article and the headline seems to be written in a way to cause outrage by giving the impression that the EU requires cameras which should be recording your face all the time and storing/sending it to authorities or something but what the EU actually requires is "Advanced Driver Distraction Warning System" which may be implemented using cameras and no recording or transmitting is required, i…

This is what we call a slippery slope

Nope, that's not what we call slippery slope. This system does not require data recording or sharing, does not require cameras.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by mort96 »

BeetleB wrote: post #230
mort96 wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO most features are annoying and contribute to alarm fatigue and driver irritation, but are not directly dangerous. Lane keep assist though? I often drive on narrow country roads barely wide enough for two cars, with a white line on each side but no center line. To avoid large oncoming cars, I need to drive on the white line to my right. When I do, lane keep assist activates motors in my steering wheel which try to…

Can't you turn that feature off? I often complain about the lack of buttons, but my car actually has a dedicated button to turn this safety feature off. IIRC, veering from the lane is the cause of most collisions, so it makes sense to have this.

You can't turn it off, you can temporarily disable it but it gets enabled again the next time you get in the car.

Regardless, I feel like maybe "suddenly automatically jerk the steering wheel to drive into oncoming traffic" mode should maybe be off by default? Although it would definitely make me less angry if it could be turned off.

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