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Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by qwery »

chaos_emergent wrote: post #540
qwery wrote: post #529

What can you even say about this stuff? It's another incremental improvement, good job Mark. These new video clips of yours are certainly something. I don't know how you do it. Round of applause for Mark! I will now review some of the standout clips. That alien thing in the water is horrifying. The background fish look pretty convincing, except for the really flamboyant one in the dark. I guess I should be impressed…

it's totally wild that your first response is shitting on flaws rather than having your jaw drop at machines producing coherent videos from text. This is _the worst that machines will ever be at this task_, and most of the improvements that need to be made are a matter of engineering ingenuity, which can be translated to research dollars.

It certainly wasn't my intent to trash the whole thing, so I'm sorry it came across that way. They've done well. They combined a whole bunch of techniques in a new way, or at least in a better way than we've seen before. I don't think you should be surprised to see these results today.

> This is _the worst that machines will ever be at this task_

This is wrong. We've seen worse and we've seen far, far worse -- what I mean is that we've seen plenty of iterative development in video generation. Even if you only consider machine-learning based video from text prompts. Then consider other generative systems as well as other video research and technology like motion interpolation, depth map generation, etc.. It's an extremely active field.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by rnewme »

oblio wrote: post #785
cpill wrote: post #735

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oh yeah, YouTube is a pristine environment right now

Yeah, but it's going to become 100x worse. And for the average person, 1000x worse.

Depends on algo, not content. There s enough content even without people gaming the algo.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by flamedoge »

intended wrote: post #795
bko wrote: post #710

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Did washing machine devalue the work of people washing by hand? Did cameras devalue the work of portrait artists? ATMs to bank tellers? Tractor to farmer? Car to horses? Again, it's technology. I guess I shouldn't have said I never heard an argument. I just never heard a good one that can't be applied to pretty much any other technology that came before.

Human attention doesn’t get freed up by creating more content. It gets consumed. In all your examples - 1) Yes. It was a good thing 2) Yes. It is now a thing done to learn how to draw, and a niche skill 3) Yes, yes, yes. IF people are bemoaning the devaluing of certain activity, yup it’s true. It happens. There are fewer horses than there were yesterday. Certain forms of activity get devalued. They are replaced by an…

who's stopping you from Amish lifestyle? problem seems to be that people want authentic, hand-made 'art' but with price of a mass manufactured tech.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by bloqs »

bongodongobob wrote: post #726
famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

The drama on this site regarding AI is absolutely hilarious. You'd think this group would be excited about game changing technology but well over half the crowd is crying over it. You deciding the Internet is broken or whatever is a you thing. The rest of humanity will continue to use, enjoy, and create new interesting stuff with it. As if most shit on the Internet hasn't been mostly trash to begin with. Even in the…

Please try to take a less aggressive tone on HN, lest this become reddit

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by magicalhippo »

coolandsmartrr wrote: post #794
bufferoverflow wrote: post #766

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No, it won't. Youtube is kind-of like Reddit or HN. "Good" stuff floats to the top, "bad" stuff disappears into nothing.

That quality filter may come from highly-tuned personalization. I remember seeing low-quality but viral content on YouTube, so I kept telling it "Don't Recommend This" for quite a while (month-ish). Now it's better, but the recommendation algorithm needs a lot of samples labeled negative.

I've never had to do this much, just a few cases. However I'm also super-cautious not to view slop on my main account, instead doing so in a private tab.

So not feeding the algorithm seems to work as well.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by dmix »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #733
deisteve wrote: post #684

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coalition makes it sound like its in the millions all coordinating together like these guys : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

Mill and factory owners took to shooting protesters and eventually the movement was suppressed by legal and military force, which included execution and penal transportation of accused and convicted Luddites.[5]

The outcome of the times. Likewise it is far more likely harmless AI (like adding dumb AI stuff to a family video) will have stronger suppression by current power systems than society suppressing critics of generative AI. Mostly because the latter boils down to cultural preferences and protectionism, not the real sort of harm that would build collective mass to threaten progress. And the former because people are heavily motivated these days by outrage and abstract future threats, well before the tangible evidence exists of widespread harm.

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Post by the_gipsy »

WuxiFingerHold wrote: post #778
famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

That was unavoidable. Your (and mine, btw.) reaction is healthy. I hope more people start to withdraw more from the virtual world. Once they do, many will recognize that it's become an addiction: The good feelings of discovering new things on the internet is gone long ago. What is left is the bad feeling, when we don't distract ourselves with it. A typical sign for addiction. Back to the topic: I'm still worried by t…

You're just getting old, man.

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Post by tavavex »

changing1999 wrote: post #415
jcims wrote: post #103

One thing I've noticed with the set of music generation tools (eg Udio, Suno) is that there's a sort of profound attachment to songs that you create. I've never made music the old fashioned way so I'm guessing the same could be true for that as well, but there are songs I've made on Udio that I personally think are amazing but nobody else really responds to. Conversely I can see similar levels of pride and attachment…

"Music is about communication" (John Lennon, IIRC). Don't expect people to profoundly connect to music that is nothing more than a collection of regurgitated ideas. Not to sound too crass, but a parallel could be drawn to smelling one's own farts and wondering why no one else appreciates the smell.

> Don't expect people to profoundly connect to music that is nothing more than a collection of regurgitated ideas.

Music is one of the worse examples to pick for claiming that people don't regurgitate in art. Everything in music builds off one another, and a lot of music (especially music that's seen as lower quality) is described as being just collections of cliches. The reason why "sad music" sounds sad isn't because there's something about instrument choices, key, chords, melody, tempo etc that is measurably intrinsically "sad" - it's because these are stereotypes that the creator has combined together to invoke a certain association in the listeners. If you were extra cynical, you could describe the entire musical field as people largely conditioning themselves over generations to like certain qualities of sound and hate others.

And that applies to almost all art. Basically everything people make is based on stuff that came before that - and it's frustrating to encounter hubris that assumes there's some magical creative process going on inside human brains that will never ever be even approximated by any other means.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by lloeki »

squarefoot wrote: post #784
ipaddr wrote: post #620

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Isn't that a core problem now. Getting actors to act exactly how you want was never a solved problem. But this limits promotion where actors do interviews and sell the movie to the public. It also limits an actor doing something crazy that tanks a movie like a tweet.

> Getting actors to act exactly how you want was never a solved problem. Also, some great lines in movies came from actors ad libs. I hope there will always be some space for mild hallucination; without improvisation we wouldn't even have jazz.

"I know."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/harrison-ford-i-know/

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by mvdtnz »

nthdesign wrote: post #92

My kids both have creative hearts, and they are terrified that A.I. will prevent them from earning a living through creativity. Very recently, I've had an alternate thought. We've spent decades improving the technology of entertainment, spending billions (trillions?) of dollars in the process. When A.I. can generate any entertainment you can imagine, we might start finding this kind of entertainment boring. Maybe, at…

I have yet to see any AI produce a single morsel of content of any kind that I would class as even remotely entertaining. So we'll see.
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