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Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by mrandish »

jsheard wrote: post #81
dageshi wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but... it's good enough? There were movies with horrible VFX that still sold perfectly well at the time.

An important contrast is that early VFX offered strong control with weak fidelity, and these prompt-based AI systems offer high fidelity with weak control. Intent matters if you want to make something more than a tech demo or throwaway B-roll and you can't communicate much intent in a 30 word prompt, assuming the model even follows the prompt accurately.

> AI systems offer high fidelity with weak control

You are spot on. I've been involved in creating technologies used by film and video creators for decades, so I have some understanding of what would be useful to them. The best video AIs I've seen only seem capable of replacing some stock video clip creation because, so far, I haven't seen any ability to maintain robust consistency from shot to shot and scene to scene. There's also no granular control other than the text prompt. At first glance, these demos are very impressive but when you try to map the capability shown to a real production workflow for a movie, TV show or commercial, they're not even close because they aren't even trying to solve the problem.

To be clear, I think it's probably possible to create a video AI that would be truly useful in a real production workflow, it's just that I haven't seen anything working in that direction yet.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by shinycode »

famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

I feel that there always will be people loving their craft. Maybe their price will go higher but it also means they might work on more interesting projects because the crap ones will be generated by AI. It also means that commercials, ads will be customized for each person with all the informations gathered on that person, maybe every time. Dynamic video Ads, AI will unlock this potential (and I hope AI will also unlock the potential to definitely filter itself)

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by Culonavirus »

gorgoiler wrote: post #749

Photo sharing websites (including Facebook) used to be wrappers around ImageMagick with extra features. I love how the backbone of their training involves calling out to ffmpeg. It gives a little hope to those of us who, too, are working on a smaller scale but with similar techniques. Scale? I have access to an H100. Meta trained their cat video stuff on six thousand H100s. They mention that these consume 700W each.…

They're all investing into their own sources of power. I'm sure Zuck has a few deals in place too.

https://www.businessinsider.com/google-considering-nuclear-p...

> Both its competitors, Amazon and Microsoft, have already announced electricity deals with nuclear power stations.

> In March, Amazon inked a $650 million deal to buy electricity from the Susquehanna nuclear power station, per the Financial Times.

> Then, in September, Microsoft signed a 20-year deal to purchase energy from Pennsylvania's Three Mile Island nuclear plant, the plant's owner, Constellation Energy, said in a statement.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by coolandsmartrr »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #766
woggy wrote: post #731

It's already bad, but the amount of garbage that is going to flood YouTube now is going to make it unusable.

No, it won't. Youtube is kind-of like Reddit or HN. "Good" stuff floats to the top, "bad" stuff disappears into nothing.

That quality filter may come from highly-tuned personalization.

I remember seeing low-quality but viral content on YouTube, so I kept telling it "Don't Recommend This" for quite a while (month-ish). Now it's better, but the recommendation algorithm needs a lot of samples labeled negative.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by intended »

bko wrote: post #710
latexr wrote: post #703

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And if they use AI and you can't tell the difference, does it really matter? It does, yes. To use your own analogy, if one pays for an artisanal product and is served something out of a production line in a factory, that is fraud. > It's never explained You’re not paying attention, it is often explained. One huge reason is that it devalues the work of artists who are already struggling to make any money by using th…

Did washing machine devalue the work of people washing by hand? Did cameras devalue the work of portrait artists? ATMs to bank tellers? Tractor to farmer? Car to horses? Again, it's technology. I guess I shouldn't have said I never heard an argument. I just never heard a good one that can't be applied to pretty much any other technology that came before.

Human attention doesn’t get freed up by creating more content. It gets consumed.

In all your examples -

1) Yes. It was a good thing

2) Yes. It is now a thing done to learn how to draw, and a niche skill

3) Yes, yes, yes.

IF people are bemoaning the devaluing of certain activity, yup it’s true. It happens. There are fewer horses than there were yesterday.

Certain forms of activity get devalued. They are replaced by an alternative that creates surplus. But life goes on to bigger things.

The same with GenAI. Content is increasingly easy to create at scale. This reduced cost of production applies for both useful content and pollution.

Except if finding valid information is made harder, - then life becomes more complex and we don’t go on to bigger and better things.

The abundance of fabricated content which is indistinguishable from authentic content means that authentic content is devalued, and that any content consumed must now wait before it is verified.

It increases the cost of trusting information, which reduces the overall value of the network. It’s like the cost of lemons for used cars.

This is the looming problem. Hopefully something appears that mitigates the worst case scenarios, however the medium case and even bad case are well and truly alive.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by mrandish »

gen3 wrote: post #228
syntaxing wrote: post #21

I find the edit video with text the most fascinating aspect. I can see this being used for indie films that doesn’t have a CGI budget. Like the scene with the movie theater, you can film them on lounge chairs first and then edit it to seem like a movie theater.

100% agree, the background replace that puts the guy into a stadium would be fully usable as a cut in a movie/tv show, and the background is believable enough that no one would bat an eye. If you use it properly, I expect a quality uplift on indie films/shorts. Your limit is your creativity

> Your limit is your creativity

In the professional creative tools business, "Now the only limit is your creativity" has been a popular marketing tagline for decades, especially for products based on new enabling technologies. It's common enough that a wry corollary has developed in response, which goes: "Unfortunately, for a lot of people that's a pretty big limit."

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by kristopolous »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #766
woggy wrote: post #731

It's already bad, but the amount of garbage that is going to flood YouTube now is going to make it unusable.

No, it won't. Youtube is kind-of like Reddit or HN. "Good" stuff floats to the top, "bad" stuff disappears into nothing.

You sure about that?

https://m.youtube.com/feed/trending

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by intended »

huimang wrote: post #790
bko wrote: post #691

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just a technology. Much like you can still buy "hand made" shoes, there will be people that create curated hand made content. And if they use AI and you can't tell the difference, does it really matter? I really don't understand why there is so much negativity for a new technology. It's never explained, just taken as a fact and people bemoaning the new state of the world.

> And if they use AI and you can't tell the difference, does it really matter? Yes. It devalues artists further (on top of only existing due to grand scale theft of art). It also is slop devoid of intention. If that's not enough, it's ecologically devastating. I would rather not waste millions of gallons of water on slop that gets generated and thrown away.

Human information networks are also an ecosystem. Having an abundance of slop stops the flow of information and knowledge.

You have to filter everything that is shared to make sure you aren’t being predated upon.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by _sys49152 »

change style to pencil sketch = absolute gamechanger. (penguins vid)

thats the most amenable approach to ai filmmaking ive seen available yet.

id have to see wayyy more pencil sketch conversions to see exactly whats going on....

...but that right there is the easiest way to hack making movies - with the most control.....so far...

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by mrandish »

squarefoot wrote: post #784
ipaddr wrote: post #620

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that a core problem now. Getting actors to act exactly how you want was never a solved problem. But this limits promotion where actors do interviews and sell the movie to the public. It also limits an actor doing something crazy that tanks a movie like a tweet.

> Getting actors to act exactly how you want was never a solved problem. Also, some great lines in movies came from actors ad libs. I hope there will always be some space for mild hallucination; without improvisation we wouldn't even have jazz.

Yep. Including one of the best moments in one of the most influential sci-fi films of all time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tears_in_rain_monologue
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