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Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by bee_rider »

firebaze wrote: post #487
itslennysfault wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hmmm... Maybe it's because I knew it was testing me, but I noticed it right away and counted the right count. I could see it being pretty shocking if I hadn't, but I honestly can't imagine how I'd miss that.

> hmmm... Maybe it's because I knew it was testing me, but I noticed it right away and counted the right count. > I could see it being pretty shocking if I hadn't, but I honestly can't imagine how I'd miss that. The point of the video wasn't to count correctly, but to see the gorilla

99% the person was playing along for the rest of us, so we get a chance to enjoy the video as intended.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by s3p »

vunderba wrote: post #497
jcims wrote: post #103

One thing I've noticed with the set of music generation tools (eg Udio, Suno) is that there's a sort of profound attachment to songs that you create. I've never made music the old fashioned way so I'm guessing the same could be true for that as well, but there are songs I've made on Udio that I personally think are amazing but nobody else really responds to. Conversely I can see similar levels of pride and attachment…

One thing I've noticed with the set of music generation tools (eg Udio, Suno) is that there's a sort of profound attachment to songs that you create. With all due respect, how could there be when at the click of a button you can generate entire songs? You didn't come up with the chord progression, the structure, the melodic motifs, or the lyrics. My attachment to my works is directly proportional to the amount of eff…

I think OP is saying they really enjoy the song. Not that they feel it is their magnum opus.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by jprete »

tqi wrote: post #517

A lot of folks in this thread have mentioned that the problem with the current generation of models is that only 1 in (?) prompts returns something useful. Isn't that exactly what a reward model is supposed to help improve? I'm not an ML person by any means so the entire concept of reward models feels like creating something from nothing, so very curious to understand more.

Bear in mind these systems have already been through the reward-based training, and these are the results that are good enough to show in public.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by mempko »

Hippos can't swim. Things are about to get weird where people will start believing strange things. We already have people believing Trump helped people during the hurricane, with images of him wading through water (that are clearly AI generated if you look close enough). We are going to get a form of model collapse at not just the AI level, but societal one.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by hcks »

qwery wrote: post #529

What can you even say about this stuff? It's another incremental improvement, good job Mark. These new video clips of yours are certainly something. I don't know how you do it. Round of applause for Mark! I will now review some of the standout clips. That alien thing in the water is horrifying. The background fish look pretty convincing, except for the really flamboyant one in the dark. I guess I should be impressed…

Round of applause for this useless unsubstantiated comment

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by sleepybrett »

benabbott wrote: post #395

Things are about to get weird. We can't control this at any level: At the level of image/video synthesis: Some leading companies have suggested they put watermarks in the content they create. Nice thought, but open source will always be an option, and people will always be able to build un-watermarked tools. At the level of law: You could attempt to pass a law banning image/video generation entirely, or those without…

> Nice thought, but open source will always be an option, and people will always be able to build un-watermarked tools.

Thats why you make it punishable by potential prison time if you create/disseminate an non watermarked video generated in this way.

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Post by bee_rider »

Twisell wrote: post #445
throwup238 wrote: post #335

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A surprising amount of it is really popular too. I recently figured out that the Movie Recaps channel was all AI when the generated voice slipped and mispronounced a word in a really unnatural way. They post videos almost daily and they get millions of views. Must be making bank.

Most probably they employ overseas, underpaid workers with non-standard English accents and so they include text-to-speach in the production process to smoothen the end result. I won't argue wether text to speech qualifies as an AI but I agree they must be making bank.

I wonder if they are making bank. Seems like a race to the bottom, there’s no barrier to entry, right?

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by tqi »

yojo wrote: post #524
tqi wrote: post #512

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Meta owns their data centers, so I don't think that framing is quite right. Increased traffic might cost marginally more in terms of electricity usage, but I think mostly what would happen is the service would degrade.

The hardware serving web requests on Facebook is very different from the hardware used to generate these videos. It’s different kit, that is currently quite expensive and power intensive. Facebook absolutely does not have a fleet of GPUs idling that could suddenly spring into action to generate a billion of these videos, nor do they have power stations on standby ready to handle the electricity load.

Right, my point is that "paying a million dollars instantaneously" isn't something that Meta would face the way a company with a public cloud infra would, and as a result their motivations / concerns are probably more along the lines of bad user experiences (due to performance bottlenecks) hurting public perception rather than runaway costs bankrupting the company.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by chaos_emergent »

qwery wrote: post #529

What can you even say about this stuff? It's another incremental improvement, good job Mark. These new video clips of yours are certainly something. I don't know how you do it. Round of applause for Mark! I will now review some of the standout clips. That alien thing in the water is horrifying. The background fish look pretty convincing, except for the really flamboyant one in the dark. I guess I should be impressed…

it's totally wild that your first response is shitting on flaws rather than having your jaw drop at machines producing coherent videos from text.

This is _the worst that machines will ever be at this task_, and most of the improvements that need to be made are a matter of engineering ingenuity, which can be translated to research dollars.

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