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The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by standardUser »

thordenmark wrote: post #505
hombre_fatal wrote: post #4

I'm lucky enough to have remote work. And I'm sure many HNers have a nice buffer of savings from their tech jobs to weather the storm or are getting paid time off. But can anyone share what it's like to not be in either of these situations? How are your rent lords handling things? I live abroad in a cheap country so I can handle zero income, but I wouldn't be able to last long if rent was $2000+/mo instead of the Yet…

Thank you for putting into words precisely how I'm feeling about this situation. The goal was to flatten the curve, not protect every single person from getting exposed which is impossible and seems to be what those who are not suffering economic hardship from this (yet) are now asking for.

There does seem to be a fundamental misunderstanding about how we are tackling this pandemic. We are not trying to prevent infection because we don't want any new infections. We are only trying to keep the rate of new infections low enough as to not overwhelm healthcare capacity. More people getting infected everyday is part of the plan.

In many parts of the US it is time to start cautiously reopening more parts of the economy, exactly as is occurring now in a dozen European countries. The main impediment to that is our testing rate, which still lags other Western nations that are easing lockdowns.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by ceejayoz »

user5994461 wrote: post #774
ceejayoz wrote: post #603

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> In India in particular, the lockdown has so far caused more misery than the virus itself... I mean, that's the point, right? Heart surgery hurts more than chest pain, but it's intended to prevent the heart attack.

If that's your comparison, the lockdown has been an outstanding failure because the virus is still spreading widely and pending to go exponential any day the lockdown is slightly relaxed. Heart surgery that can't prevent the heart attack.

If we're going to abuse the analogy into irrelevance:

The heart surgeon is booked out for a few months. Avoid strenuous exercise until they're available to fix you.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by rtkwe »

clairity wrote: post #715
rtkwe wrote: post #625

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What’s not sound science about separating people to slow down the spread? It’s the only real option for anything like a quarantine with such a long incubation time (and as recently discovered asymptomatic infections) and the absolute lack of tests we had at the beginning of this outbreak... It’s simple math that reducing the number of people in contact with each other would reduce the number of people that got infect…

> “ What’s not sound science about separating people to slow down the spread? It’s the only real option...” no, that’s the nuclear option, not a surgical strike, much less the only option, and based on an insufficiently precise perception of the problem. the mechanism of spread can be crudely described as spitting into each others’ mouths, not standing nearby, touching, or breathing in the same room. with the problem…

In the US they tried the just stay apart message before the stay at home orders and it wasn't working, people still crowded onto beaches in Florida over spring break and into concerts and restaurants all over the country. Ideally yes you'd just say stay apart from people and hand out masks which were getting sold out in a lot of places.

Without ordering places closed there's too much incentive for businesses to fudge and force their employees to come to work. Don't forget there were runs and shortages of masks so service industry employees wouldn't have complete reliable access to simple masks.

> the mechanism of spread can be crudely described as spitting into each others’ mouths

Somewhat true but coughing etc makes loads of the tiny particles that can carry the virus and they can linger and spread.

There's a lot that could have been done better but it requires a level of coordination and action the US isn't super great at, both in general and right now in particular..

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by standardUser »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #563
holler wrote: post #548

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That was/is the precise reason given, so it's hard to imagine this going on much longer given that hospitals are doing fine. I think another month is going to lead to chaos and many people rebelling.

Ah yes, the argument that protective measures are succeeding and therefore they are no longer necessary. Completely irrational in a scenario where the danger being protected against hadn't gone away.

Instead of gallantly assaulting a straw man, you could acknowledge that lockdowns are not an on/off proposition and that there is almost certainly a better implementation of precautionary restrictions for achieving our goals than what we currently have.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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irrational wrote: post #682
lowpro wrote: post #330

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My friend who works at the airport in the Galapagos (GPS) was telling me that no one has gotten paid since the tourism stopped. Luckily she can work on farm, but many can't. The local animal shelter there is now out of food, and the dogs will starve if they don't somehow raise money in the next 3 days or so (@patitasgalapaguenas on instagram, you can donate here [0]). The US is struggling in many ways, but I can't he…

I'm surprised to learn that animals like dogs (and I presume cats) are allowed on the Galapagos since there is so much at-risk fauna that is unique to those islands.

I was surprised when I first went, the people that live there are allowed on 5 of the islands, with the largest island hosting the town of puerto ayora. The town has 10,000 people, and total population of the Galapagos is 30,000 and growing. It’s an interesting place as people move there from the mainland because of the money you can make in tourism, but immigration is tightly controlled due to the negative effect on nature as the towns expand.

People first started living in the Galapagos a long time ago, in the 1950s they consolidated everyone into the islands they live today. Interesting history for a place that you’d think was purely natural, but human civilization finds a way I suppose.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by lowpro »

rbinv wrote: post #754
lowpro wrote: post #330

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My friend who works at the airport in the Galapagos (GPS) was telling me that no one has gotten paid since the tourism stopped. Luckily she can work on farm, but many can't. The local animal shelter there is now out of food, and the dogs will starve if they don't somehow raise money in the next 3 days or so (@patitasgalapaguenas on instagram, you can donate here [0]). The US is struggling in many ways, but I can't he…

Donated, thanks. Maybe they should set up a GoFundMe page? Would seem more legitimate than a "random" PayPal link.

I’ll bring it up to them!

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by lowpro »

TonyChol wrote: post #723
lowpro wrote: post #330

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My friend who works at the airport in the Galapagos (GPS) was telling me that no one has gotten paid since the tourism stopped. Luckily she can work on farm, but many can't. The local animal shelter there is now out of food, and the dogs will starve if they don't somehow raise money in the next 3 days or so (@patitasgalapaguenas on instagram, you can donate here [0]). The US is struggling in many ways, but I can't he…

Probably it's my first reply on HN but dontated!

Thank you so much!

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by ModernMech »

perl4ever wrote: post #454
greendave wrote: post #413

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It's good to have numbers, but given the wide disparity in testing rates and protocols, it's difficult to come to any significant conclusions based primarily on day-to-day case count. Death count is at least somewhat less subject to such complications, and even there, it'd be much better to compare 7-day averages to smooth over reporting quirks.

Well, this is a truism, but it also smacks of special pleading. When readily available data contradicts a line of propaganda or groupthink, you can rationalize why it has many issues and quite possibly be right, but why are you exerting yourself to rationalize in that direction and not the opposite one? Even weak evidence against something should not enhance your confidence in that thing! If the numbers were really m…

> It seems as though people for whatever reason fetishize Sweden

The Sweden angle has been pushed hard in conservative media circles. You’re seeing a reflection of that here.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by standardUser »

anigbrowl wrote: post #558
adingus wrote: post #431

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If that is the case then they could communicate that plan a little better. At the end of the day it's their fault if people don't understand why they are taking the actions they are.

I take you're listening to the daily state briefings and similar county press conferences. I have not been having a problem understanding them.

Proper communication would be written, concise, detailed and clear. These endless press conferences are none of those things.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by lowpro »

jessedhillon wrote: post #753
lowpro wrote: post #330

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My friend who works at the airport in the Galapagos (GPS) was telling me that no one has gotten paid since the tourism stopped. Luckily she can work on farm, but many can't. The local animal shelter there is now out of food, and the dogs will starve if they don't somehow raise money in the next 3 days or so (@patitasgalapaguenas on instagram, you can donate here [0]). The US is struggling in many ways, but I can't he…

Donated. Is there a way to make that link followable from IG?

I’m not sure I understand what you mean by followable?
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