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Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by s8s8discourse »

rozab wrote: post #32
TheWoodsy wrote: post #12

Their main propaganda news channel has already said (incorrectly) that they are already fighting NATO and US troops in the breakaway areas. Is it time to make this a reality? I really don't see it ending without it happening. russia has shown that it has no regard for the suffering of any troops of any nationality. So purely from a population perspective, Ukraine will fail eventually unless they can effectively force…

What are you talking about? Ukraine has clearly demonstrated its ability to make significant territorial gains in the previous weeks. How on earth are you drawing this conclusion?

I presume he is thinking on the basis of Russia deploying another 200,000 troops and the effect that may have on undoing the gains of late (whether it will or not is another matter...).

Extending that thought process, if a partial mobilisation realises 200,000 troops to fight, then the next logical step after that fails is a full mobilisation with pundits suggesting up to 1,000,000 "soldiers".

There is some merit in thinking that the sheer size of Russia means they can just keep churning out men for a zerg rush at a rate exceeding that which Ukraine can deal with, at a cost:benefit ratio acceptable for Russia but crushing for Ukraine.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by withinboredom »

threatofrain wrote: post #30
_V_ wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd guess that this will end much sooner than it will come to pure population numbers on RUS/UA side of things. But the prospect of full blown WW3 is now much more real than it was a month ago, that's for sure.

World war? Between what systems of alliance? Does China want to stand with Russia? Esp. if nukes fly as Russia has threatened, what nation will ally themselves with Russia in a full-scale global conflict?

Here be the entrance to “The Great Filter.” May our civilization survive and prosper.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by baskire »

TheWoodsy wrote: post #12

Their main propaganda news channel has already said (incorrectly) that they are already fighting NATO and US troops in the breakaway areas. Is it time to make this a reality? I really don't see it ending without it happening. russia has shown that it has no regard for the suffering of any troops of any nationality. So purely from a population perspective, Ukraine will fail eventually unless they can effectively force…

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Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by te_chris »

88840-8855 wrote: post #70
MasterYoda wrote: post #28

I really hope the russian/kreml/putin war against Ukraine will end in a epic failure for them. I also hope that frozen russian assets in west can be confiscated to build up Ukraine again, russia has to be accountable and pay for all madness and horrific things they have done.

Oh yeah, super good idea. We had fantastic experience with humiliated nations before. It worked so well for Germany after WW1 /s FACT: the end of this war must be positive for the Russian people, no matter whether Russia loses or wins the military operation. Putin came to power because the West didnt help the former Soviet republics. If Russia is left alone humiliated again then we will have the next anti-western sys…

That’s not a fact. It’s up to Russians and Russia what happens after this.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

nindalf wrote: post #26

Putin's approval rating since the war began has been a steady 80%+ ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-ra... ). We don't know yet what September's numbers will look like, but it will likely take a hit from the retreats and losses of territory to the Ukrainians this month. Mobilization is going to drop that further. People are ok supporting a war in the abstract, but less so if they have to go…

> Putin's approval rating since the war began has been a steady 80%+ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-ra...).

These numbers are meaningless. Approval could be 5% and you wouldn't know, amd average russian wouldn't know.

Its difficult for a western mindset to understand the mentality.

In Russia no-one trusts that a rating agency is independant or real or has nothing to do with the government.

They will always reply that they support any official policy, even if the policy is anal probing.

Many have gone to jail for 15 years for voicing dissent. Prisons with widespread torture

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-introduce-jail-t...

I am hoping that mobilisation will cause some sort of social unrest. You don't know what everyone else is thinking, it's like the opposite of manufacturing concent

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by rjtavares »

KptMarchewa wrote: post #66
BaculumMeumEst wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it time to make this a reality? Nobody is going to directly engage a global nuclear superpower in armed conflict unless they are literally being invaded. > purely from a population perspective, Ukraine will fail eventually unless they can effectively force-multiply like we've never seen in any other armed conflict. Successful invasions and occupations are not decided "purely from a population perspective".

Oh, so why did "Korean" and "Vietnamese" pilots suddenly started speaking russian when they were shot down? USSR directly engaged USA, China did the same in Korean War.

There are already US citizens fighting Russia in Ukraine. As long as there's plausible (or honest) deniability, USA and Russia aren't directly engaging in combat.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by baskire »

shusaku wrote: post #60
rozab wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do you know what occupy means

I swear some people think real wars work just like risk and all you have to do is stuck your soldiers on a country tile to improve their defense.

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Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by _visgean »

mjfl wrote: post #36
yodsanklai wrote: post #13

Stupid question, but what does Putin want exactly? what will end the war?

Putin wants to secure Crimea, which is where a large part of the Russian navy is and their only connection to the Mediterranean.

> their only connection to the Mediterranean.

If you look at the map russia has quite a few other cities with direct access to black sea. e.g. Rosnov, Sochi, Novorosijsk...

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by WHATDOESIT »

OJFord wrote: post #51
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Partial is the opposite of complete here not of impartial. It’s the adjectival form of the noun part . I am not sure if you were making a joke or actually misunderstood.

I think GP means that you either mobilise or you don't, which I can sort of get on board with, but if you say 'part of the army is mobilised' and then 'the army is partially mobilised' it seems fairly natural, even if it perhaps doesn't strictly make sense.

The actual point is that there is no such thing in Russian law. Only "mobilization" - a full, complete, impartial one. So this is actually "a mobilization", the "partiality" of it is just making it sound nice on the TV but in practice what Putin signed is a full, complete, impartial mobilization.

And it's not like they did it because that's the law they have to work with. Just yesterday they made extensive last-minute changes to many laws - especially these concerning refusal of mobilization, refusal to fight, and surrender in combat (they made it all criminal).

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by Mesopropithecus »

skc wrote: post #58

Is there any scenario from this point onwards, any at all that results in Russia coming out stronger once the smoke clears? Because I can't see any. Seems to me like the Russian govt are now in a situation where they have no choice but to see this thing through just to try and save face.

Mobilization could be a sign that it's no longer about face but about ass.
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