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President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia
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Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia
#12Their main propaganda news channel has already said (incorrectly) that they are already fighting NATO and US troops in the breakaway areas.
Is it time to make this a reality? I really don't see it ending without it happening. russia has shown that it has no regard for the suffering of any troops of any nationality. So purely from a population perspective, Ukraine will fail eventually unless they can effectively force-multiply like we've never seen in any other armed conflict.
Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia
#13Stupid question, but what does Putin want exactly? what will end the war?
Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia
#14Partial... impartial... There is no such thing as "partial mobilization". There is a law on mobilization, but who cares about laws there days in Russia. The main objective of this mobilization is to call up to 5mln conscripts in the army. This morning, people already started to receive summons in person.
Partial is the opposite of complete here not of impartial. It’s the adjectival form of the noun part.
I am not sure if you were making a joke or actually misunderstood.
Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia
#15It’s hard to see where this ends; should things move toward weakening of the Russian government will he go without attempting to escalate his way out of domestic danger? I think mobilisation and moving toward declaring the special operation a war (more mobilisation) could be the beginnings of that slippery slope.
Putin is "committed" so to speak, so this is just following his current strategy through to its conclusion: force the West to give up on Ukraine or accept massive escalation.
The fundamental question is - is NATO committed enough to the Ukraine cause to demolish Europe? Probably not.
Everyone talking about Russia being "already defeated" knows little of the Russian capacity for misery. Napoleon learned the hard way. The Russians also accepted losses in WW1 and the following civil war that would have destroyed most other societies (and indirectly destroyed Russia too), and of course, they continued fighting in WW2 when most democratic societies would have surrendered. Do not underestimate Russia.
Compare losses in the Brusilov Offensive alone to all-time combat losses for most other nations (including the US)...Russians will keep fighting long after it seems sensible.
Eventually Biden and Blinken will back away from Ukraine...the US public will find another Current Thing to obsess over, and US troop commitments are completely out of the question.
Basically, Russia gets Ukraine eventually, its just a matter of how bad the carnage is
Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia
#16Partial... impartial... There is no such thing as "partial mobilization". There is a law on mobilization, but who cares about laws there days in Russia. The main objective of this mobilization is to call up to 5mln conscripts in the army. This morning, people already started to receive summons in person.
>There is no such thing as "partial mobilization". What do you mean by this? If you have 2 million men available in a full mobilization but call up only 300.000 this seems partial?
To push to the extreme, you'd have to mobilize every single Russian to have a "full" mobilization.
So anything short of that is a "partial" mobilization, which would be basically be any actual mobilization.
Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia
#17Partial... impartial... There is no such thing as "partial mobilization". There is a law on mobilization, but who cares about laws there days in Russia. The main objective of this mobilization is to call up to 5mln conscripts in the army. This morning, people already started to receive summons in person.
> This morning, people already started to receive summons in person.
Wow... That's actually quite terrifying how fast these things can go south.
Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia
#18With individual EU countries being perfectly egoistic and pragmatist, with Germans being in the pockets of Russian oligarchs, this situation overall is heading into catastrophic direction.
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Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia
#19With individual EU countries being perfectly egoistic and pragmatist, with Germans being in the pockets of Russian oligarchs, this situation overall is heading into catastrophic direction.
Dude, we don't get any gas anymore from them, the oligarchs are on sanctions lists and one of those oligarchs is currently getting raided by the police for tax evasion. More are probably going to follow.
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#20Their main propaganda news channel has already said (incorrectly) that they are already fighting NATO and US troops in the breakaway areas. Is it time to make this a reality? I really don't see it ending without it happening. russia has shown that it has no regard for the suffering of any troops of any nationality. So purely from a population perspective, Ukraine will fail eventually unless they can effectively force…
Nein. Germany will block it. See, its very convenient to have a weak east europe.