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Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by agd » Wed, Sep 21, 2022, 9:34 AM UTC

TheWoodsy wrote: post #12

Their main propaganda news channel has already said (incorrectly) that they are already fighting NATO and US troops in the breakaway areas. Is it time to make this a reality? I really don't see it ending without it happening. russia has shown that it has no regard for the suffering of any troops of any nationality. So purely from a population perspective, Ukraine will fail eventually unless they can effectively force…

> Is it time to make this a reality?

That feels like it would increase the risk of nuclear escalation and strengthen domestic Russian support for the war.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by _V_ » Wed, Sep 21, 2022, 9:34 AM UTC

TheWoodsy wrote: post #12

Their main propaganda news channel has already said (incorrectly) that they are already fighting NATO and US troops in the breakaway areas. Is it time to make this a reality? I really don't see it ending without it happening. russia has shown that it has no regard for the suffering of any troops of any nationality. So purely from a population perspective, Ukraine will fail eventually unless they can effectively force…

I'd guess that this will end much sooner than it will come to pure population numbers on RUS/UA side of things.

But the prospect of full blown WW3 is now much more real than it was a month ago, that's for sure.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by saiya-jin » Wed, Sep 21, 2022, 9:34 AM UTC

apexalpha wrote: post #10

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #4

Partial... impartial... There is no such thing as "partial mobilization". There is a law on mobilization, but who cares about laws there days in Russia. The main objective of this mobilization is to call up to 5mln conscripts in the army. This morning, people already started to receive summons in person.

>There is no such thing as "partial mobilization". What do you mean by this? If you have 2 million men available in a full mobilization but call up only 300.000 this seems partial?

They will call them later. 300,000 noobs with minimal training, physique, crappy equipment, low morale and useless aparatchik leaders will be sent to meat grinder of eastern Ukraine. "Nas mnogo" strategy barely worked in WWII, with modern warfare (and continuing western aid) they won't make that much difference.

High tech equipment in good numbers is what decides outcomes these days when armies clash. Plus Ukraine can and does use insurgency on their lost territories, no army ever including the best one won against this.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by globalise83 » Wed, Sep 21, 2022, 9:34 AM UTC

Personally I believe that NATO should occupy the whole of Western Ukraine up to about 100km from the frontline, with a clear warning that any direct fire on NATO troops will result in retaliation. This will free up the Ukrainians to fight Russia on the frontline without worries about Belarus etc.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by kumarvvr » Wed, Sep 21, 2022, 9:35 AM UTC

yodsanklai wrote: post #13

Stupid question, but what does Putin want exactly? what will end the war?

Some sort of a stalemate which he can reasonably spin as a win.

If not, he will be killed.

Now its a life and death situation for him.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by nindalf » Wed, Sep 21, 2022, 9:35 AM UTC

Putin's approval rating since the war began has been a steady 80%+ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-ra...). We don't know yet what September's numbers will look like, but it will likely take a hit from the retreats and losses of territory to the Ukrainians this month. Mobilization is going to drop that further. People are ok supporting a war in the abstract, but less so if they have to go out there and fight themselves. And they'll like it even less when they find that people with connections aren't being called up.

Calling for mobilization now gives them a few months to train and get equipped when winter brings fighting to a close. It'd be interesting to see where Russia finds officers for these new troops. Or maybe training/equipment/officers don't matter, if the plan is to use them as cannon fodder.

Regardless, Ukraine will find it harder to make progress next year like they've done in the last few weeks. There won't be any fronts that are thinly manned and easy to punch through like Kharkiv was.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by ralphhughes » Wed, Sep 21, 2022, 9:35 AM UTC

TheWoodsy wrote: post #12

Their main propaganda news channel has already said (incorrectly) that they are already fighting NATO and US troops in the breakaway areas. Is it time to make this a reality? I really don't see it ending without it happening. russia has shown that it has no regard for the suffering of any troops of any nationality. So purely from a population perspective, Ukraine will fail eventually unless they can effectively force…

>Their main propaganda news channel has already said (incorrectly) that they are already fighting NATO and US troops in the breakaway areas.

Thats interesting, I'm not doubting you but I would like to see the original source if possible, got a link?

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by MasterYoda » Wed, Sep 21, 2022, 9:35 AM UTC

I really hope the russian/kreml/putin war against Ukraine will end in a epic failure for them. I also hope that frozen russian assets in west can be confiscated to build up Ukraine again, russia has to be accountable and pay for all madness and horrific things they have done.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by WastingMyTime89 » Wed, Sep 21, 2022, 9:36 AM UTC

makeitdouble wrote: post #16

apexalpha wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There is no such thing as "partial mobilization". What do you mean by this? If you have 2 million men available in a full mobilization but call up only 300.000 this seems partial?

To push to the extreme, you'd have to mobilize every single Russian to have a "full" mobilization. So anything short of that is a "partial" mobilization, which would be basically be any actual mobilization.

A full mobilisation would imply mobilising all the people who can be mobilised not every single Russian. That’s not what’s happening here hence the partial.

Re: President Putin has announced a partial mobilization in Russia

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Post by threatofrain » Wed, Sep 21, 2022, 9:37 AM UTC

_V_ wrote: post #22

TheWoodsy wrote: post #12

Their main propaganda news channel has already said (incorrectly) that they are already fighting NATO and US troops in the breakaway areas. Is it time to make this a reality? I really don't see it ending without it happening. russia has shown that it has no regard for the suffering of any troops of any nationality. So purely from a population perspective, Ukraine will fail eventually unless they can effectively force…

I'd guess that this will end much sooner than it will come to pure population numbers on RUS/UA side of things. But the prospect of full blown WW3 is now much more real than it was a month ago, that's for sure.

World war? Between what systems of alliance? Does China want to stand with Russia? Esp. if nukes fly as Russia has threatened, what nation will ally themselves with Russia in a full-scale global conflict?