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Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Well, if they believe in markets that's basically what money is for: you think something is worth more to you than to somebody else, then just pay the other party for it. There's plenty of cases where this kind of reasoning fails, because it doesn't care about ethics, but in this exact situation there no ethical question at stakes, especially since Uzi Nissan bought this domain name in good faith. It's just a matter…

It's interesting to ask oneself, I think, how many person-hours of lawyer labor Nissan paid for, and whether less money than that could have been consolidated into one lump-sum payment to Mr. Nissan of "a quantity that immediately bumps one individual up to nouveau-riche class," such that whether he had a domain name from which to do business was irrelevant because he didn't have to work. Of course, that assumes Mr.…

They tried to strong-arm him, he resisted and they ended-up both stuck is a dollar auction game[1], a typical game-theory situation where both players end up losing way more than expected gain at the beginning.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_auction

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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>Nissan.com is just another example sadly. Example of what? The car company never won a UDRP case against Mr Nissan.

Example of litigating over something that can't typically be trademarked - "Nissan" is a family name. There are plenty of articles online discussing the nissan.com case from the UDRP perspective, which is the typical remedy, and one Nissan can still pursue - you can't escape the UDRP due to the ICANN mandate.

Ford, Chrysler, Bloomberg - I'm not sure what you mean by "can't typically be trademarked".

If Nissan Motors believed they could win via UDRP, why haven't they?

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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> Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". The principle text on which is attributed to one "Ragnar Redbeard" [1]. The philosophy is simple. I may rob you, rape you, vandalise, ransack, lie, pillage and kill, for the one simple reason that I am stronger…

Is there no ethical argument to be made that the domain would better serve the car company? Domain names are a limited resource, is it more ethical to practice "first is right" ethics?

Watch you don’t apply this reasoning to your own house.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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I think billion dollar valuations would suffice to be "large corporation" to me. Valve meets that.

Valve has to be worth way more than a billion dollars. A billion is like medium-stage startup at this point. They have to be worth 10x that easy, as a floor. Much higher (100x) for a strategic acquisition from a company like Microsoft.

"Much higher (100x) for a strategic acquisition from a company like Microsoft" is grossly exaggerated. There were only 171 companies worth more than $88.3bn (Agree that Valve is likely worth at least 10x a billion, though.

[1]: https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Markets/A-tale-of-2-markets... [2]: https://news.microsoft.com/2022/01/18/microsoft-to-acquire-a... [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitio...

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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> even had the gall to leave one of their first bottled brews at my great great grandfather's gravesite. That's a weird thing to do. I can see wanting to steal an established brand because people are attracted to legacy, especially in the case of something like brewing. But leaving a tribute at his grave is, honestly, just bizarre behavior. Are the obsessed or something? Do they think they have some connection to you…

> even had the gall to leave one of their first bottled brews at my great great grandfather's gravesite. That came across as a genuine gesture ... I wonder if there is more to this story.

Might have been a photo-op.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Related:

Nissan Motors vs. Nissan Computer - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25622386 - Jan 2021 (1 comment)

Nissan.com (is not owned by Nissan the car company) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24369990 - Sept 2020 (102 comments)

Nissan Motor's Lawsuit Against Us - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20680958 - Aug 2019 (1 comment)

Uzi Nissan Spent 8 Years Fighting Nissan Motor Company to Keep Nissan.com - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16670141 - March 2018 (83 comments)

Nissan Motors LawSuit Against Nissan Computer - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15919367 - Dec 2017 (5 comments)

Nissan vs. Nissan (2008) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10030968 - Aug 2015 (21 comments)

Why You Can’t Buy a Car on Nissan.com – Now I Know - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9692059 - June 2015 (4 comments)

Why Nissan.com Isn’t a Car Website - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6073980 - July 2013 (85 comments)

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Uzi Nissan was one of the more interesting people I met as a freelancer in college. He replied to a craigslist ad and we met for coffee. He had some crazy ideas (and conspiracies:) about all the things he wanted to hire a freelancer to do with nissan.com

Please tell us more?

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

>(even though the Altima and Maxima were excellent cars) why advertise for them for free?

I think he's implying that his boycott imposed a cost on him, and therefore had more meaning, because had they behaved differently, he would have liked to have owned a Nissan.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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post #73

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> Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". The principle text on which is attributed to one "Ragnar Redbeard" [1]. The philosophy is simple. I may rob you, rape you, vandalise, ransack, lie, pillage and kill, for the one simple reason that I am stronger…

> In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". I've occasionally wondered, is that not reality for all of us? Even us living in democratic nations? Is democracy at its core not a "might" (through a greater cardinality) makes right of sorts?

It is. It's just that capital is the might of today. Money to influence legislation, money to withstand long legal battles, etc.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

the altima and maxima may be fine cars but there's also nothing wrong with a camry or an accord. plenty of good alternatives.
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