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Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by giobox »

creeble wrote: post #56
giobox wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UDRP ("Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy" - the arbitration process all domain name disputes go through - you have little choice as mandated by ICANN for all domain name registrars) has been hopelessly broken in favor of the pursuer for a long time. It's a pursuer pays system; surprise surprise pursuers almost always win. UDRP panels are run by private firms of typically retired judges looking to cash…

>Nissan.com is just another example sadly. Example of what? The car company never won a UDRP case against Mr Nissan.

Example of litigating over something that can't typically be trademarked - "Nissan" is a family name. There are plenty of articles online discussing the nissan.com case from the UDRP perspective, which is the typical remedy, and one Nissan can still pursue - you can't escape the UDRP due to the ICANN mandate.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by [deleted] »

jstanley wrote: post #38
fourstar wrote: post #8

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Good question. We've talked to various lawyers throughout the years. The crappy part is that the people who resurrected it have hundreds of millions in real estate backed ventures (big $$$), so there's really not much we can do aside from pound sand considering we weren't brewing the beer, or enforcing the trademark. The even weirder thing is that they used his name as their contact email for the longest time on thei…

If every generation since your great great grandfather had 3 children, then you can expect your great great grandfather to have 81 descendants in your generation (most of whom would have a different surname - to a first approximation you only retain the surname if your connection to him is on the father's side at every level). I'm guessing you wouldn't know all of them, and in the olden days people had more kids so i…

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Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by briffle »

Kaytaro wrote: post #47
mikece wrote: post #3

Uzi battled Nissan motor company because the company thought they had the right to take the domain from a man who had registered it because it's his surname. Nissan Motors should have been slapped with a massive punitive fine for that, but instead they continued to bleed Mr. Uzi Nissan of his resources by suing him repeatedly. Memo to Nissan Motor Company: it was because of this act of lawfare that I personally renou…

Should domains be first come first serve though? Why? Almost 100% of people when they hear "Nissan" think of the car company, so why should that domain direct to some random guy who happened to claim it first?

Right, but then does McDonalds the burger place get priority, or McDonalds Plumbing, which has been in business longer than the restraunt has existed?

An Even better example is what if Apple Music had registered Apple.com first? At the time, many, many more people had heard of the beatles then computer company in California.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by bmcahren »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #60

Did something change between when this was posted and now? The website is up for me, however the content is stripped down relative to the previous version ( https://web.archive.org/web/20220406221134/https://nissan.co... ). All of the anti-Nissan content is gone and it simply says "Contact Us" Given the events, I wouldn't be surprised if his estate is moving toward trying to sell the domain and collect any possible p…

No, but seeing as his vehemently anti-Nissan-motors content is gone in entirety from both nissan.com and digest.com I count this as "down" in terms of the website that once was a bastion of internet freedom.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by nrmitchi »

capableweb wrote: post #33
nrmitchi wrote: post #27

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Probably not even necessary to do that much. Point it at Cloudflare backed by an S3 bucket with a single "in memorandum" page and host it until the end of technology as we know it for ~$1.

I've learnt my lesson to depend as little as possible on vendors with specific technologies when you want to keep something alive for a long, long time. The less reliance on specific closed-source & cloud technologies, the better.

In this case S3 is just a thing that can serve a static HTML page, which I'm not sure I would consider proprietary in any way, and Cloudflare is just a way to serve it basically for free.

This isn't anything that has proprietary risk of not being supportable/migratable if necessary.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by adastra22 »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #59
codegeek wrote: post #24

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I agree with you but honestly if it was another person named Toyota who purchased toyota.com, they would definitely be pursued/sued by Toyota as well. Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. It just happens to be Nissan in this case. So I wouldn't treat them any different than the others to be honest.

> Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". The principle text on which is attributed to one "Ragnar Redbeard" [1]. The philosophy is simple. I may rob you, rape you, vandalise, ransack, lie, pillage and kill, for the one simple reason that I am stronger…

It is something that Germany believed in the first half of the 20th century. It is something Russia believes now. It ain’t as dead as it ought to be.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by toolz »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #59
codegeek wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you but honestly if it was another person named Toyota who purchased toyota.com, they would definitely be pursued/sued by Toyota as well. Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. It just happens to be Nissan in this case. So I wouldn't treat them any different than the others to be honest.

> Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". The principle text on which is attributed to one "Ragnar Redbeard" [1]. The philosophy is simple. I may rob you, rape you, vandalise, ransack, lie, pillage and kill, for the one simple reason that I am stronger…

Is there no ethical argument to be made that the domain would better serve the car company? Domain names are a limited resource, is it more ethical to practice "first is right" ethics?

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by littlestymaar »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #59
codegeek wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you but honestly if it was another person named Toyota who purchased toyota.com, they would definitely be pursued/sued by Toyota as well. Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. It just happens to be Nissan in this case. So I wouldn't treat them any different than the others to be honest.

> Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". The principle text on which is attributed to one "Ragnar Redbeard" [1]. The philosophy is simple. I may rob you, rape you, vandalise, ransack, lie, pillage and kill, for the one simple reason that I am stronger…

I've never heard about this Ragnar Redbeard before, but I find it pretty funny because this book was published approximately one century after Jean Jacques Rousseau published a refutation of this exact same theory in Du contrat social (which kind of shows how unoriginal Redbeard thought was).

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by shadowgovt »

kube-system wrote: post #6

It resolves and loads a page for me, it has just been... updated. Wonder if his next of kin will be selling it.

The company will get it eventually.

That's the thing about corporations: they outlive people. It took Disney 79 years and the trade of a sportscaster's career to get Oswald the Lucky Rabbit back, but they did it.

Re: Uzi Nissan (nissan.com) died of covid July 2020 and the website is now down

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Post by littlestymaar »

toolz wrote: post #67
nonrandomstring wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Large Corporations are powerful and will do everything they can to get what they want. In the scheme of ethical philosophy there is, pretty much by definition, the most extreme position of "might is right". The principle text on which is attributed to one "Ragnar Redbeard" [1]. The philosophy is simple. I may rob you, rape you, vandalise, ransack, lie, pillage and kill, for the one simple reason that I am stronger…

Is there no ethical argument to be made that the domain would better serve the car company? Domain names are a limited resource, is it more ethical to practice "first is right" ethics?

Well, if they believe in markets that's basically what money is for: you think something is worth more to you than to somebody else, then just pay the other party for it.

There's plenty of cases where this kind of reasoning fails, because it doesn't care about ethics, but in this exact situation there no ethical question at stakes, especially since Uzi Nissan bought this domain name in good faith. It's just a matter of how much the two companies value their respective utility for this scarce resource.

(+ insert rant here about how all capitalists love is crony capitalism and how much they hate markets)

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