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Comparing it to an amputation is beyond ridiculous. If you have to make leaps of logic like this, you know your argument is extremely weak.
Ok, doctors would not administer steroids for long term use for minor pain, that would be unethical and highly dangerous (except they do, from first hand experience)
“Acquiring” natural immunity also has the following side effects at a much higher rate than the vaccine: - Death - Hospitalization - Chronic illness, which can include long-term neurological impairment I feel like it’s important to keep that in mind if you’re either advocating “natural immunity” as a public health strategy, or considering it a personal strategy.
That's a strawman. Can you instead address this particular bucket: people who have had Covid, and are now wondering if they are as immune as they can hope for, considering all other available interventions.
Anyway, available sources so far seem to suggest greater immunity from the vaccine.
https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2021/06/22/how-immunity-genera...
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Vaccine immunity IS "natural" immunity. It works the same way, by exposing the body's immune system to virus components such that they product a response. The only difference is that with a vaccine those components don't add up to a viable organism. But yes: expect newer vaccines tailored to currently-circulating strains to appear; the existing mRNA vaccines produce copies of the spike protein sequenced more than a y…
The Red Cross disagrees[1]: “One of the Red Cross requirements for plasma from routine blood and platelet donations that test positive for high-levels of antibodies to be used as convalescent plasma is that it must be from a donor that has not received a COVID-19 vaccine. This is to ensure that antibodies collected from donors have sufficient antibodies directly related to their immune response to a COVID-19 infectio…
https://www.fda.gov/media/136798/download
If you expand the boxes on your link, you'll also see that they aren't specifically collecting convalescent plasma, as demand has decreased. Perhaps that is changing with the recent uptick (but given the demographics of blood donation, they'll probably have to change their rules if they need a lot of it; most people donate ~1 time).
Question: I’ve got the vaccine. I get a breakthrough case. Is this a “best case” scenario for durable immunity?
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I know this thread is catnip for the antivax contingent that reliably appears, but this argument has several problems. First, our vaccines provide a stronger immune response than infection, as has been well documented by now[1]. Vaccination on top of prior infection boosts the response[2]. Second, the harm from the vaccine is minimal, and comparing it with an amputation is ridiculous (in spite of the large number of…
[1] is not generally supportive of your very broad statement. You must qualify you statement with some indication of this stated limitation: "carrying “single letter” changes in a key portion of their spike protein"
"The new evidence shows that protective antibodies generated in response to an mRNA vaccine will target a broader range of SARS-CoV-2 variants carrying “single letter” changes in a key portion of their spike protein compared to antibodies acquired from an infection.", excerpt from the article
“Acquiring” natural immunity also has the following side effects at a much higher rate than the vaccine: - Death - Hospitalization - Chronic illness, which can include long-term neurological impairment I feel like it’s important to keep that in mind if you’re either advocating “natural immunity” as a public health strategy, or considering it a personal strategy.
That's a strawman. Can you instead address this particular bucket: people who have had Covid, and are now wondering if they are as immune as they can hope for, considering all other available interventions.
Merriam-Webster definition of straw man: a weak or imaginary opposition (such as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted
Stating the actual side-effects of one course over the other is neither weak nor imaginary.
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Why are you trolling this thread and shilling vaccines? Does the sight of people discussing the wonder of our natural immune system bother you?
No one is shilling vaccines. We use the "wonder of our natural immune system" effectively with the vaccine without being a public health risk to everyone around us by skipping it.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/leaky-vac...
Real facts that people won't like to hear: anyone who thought differently probably needs to retake a high school biology class.
What is the limitation of this study? For example, in the context of the paper, "immunity" means that your immune system mounts an immediate response. Do the antibodies created attack variants equally effectively relative to vaccines? Are they better? Worse?
This paper is one data point. Your high school biology class won't teach you how to understand the limitations of the paper. That's why we have people who study this for decades.
Don't mistake your "high school biology class" with expertise.
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I’m sorry you got sick, and I’m glad to see this study suggesting you have durable immunity! I worry that since it’s dated July 14 it may not have enough data on the Delta variant to be useful in considering your risk going forward. I hope you remain in good health.
The immunity acquired from infection may be more robust against variants since a broader set of antibodies are produced.
Its important to keep studies like this in mind when talking with people who refuse to take the vaccine because they "already had COVID". In a very real sense, if natural antibodies are durable, persistent, and effective; the vaccine is an unnecessary medical procedure. Doctors would not cut off your legs for no reason; that would be unethical. The vaccine is a medical procedure like any other; if the benefit is ques…
Taking a vaccine is not equivalent to cutting off someone's legs. It's an accepted practice in every modern society to prevent unnecessary pain, suffering, and death.
> Yet, we have an increasing number of venues, workplaces, and events which are requiring proof of vaccination to participate. This is forcing both people who already have antibodies, and even people who can't make antibodies (e.g. immunocompromised, solid organ transplant, etc), to undergo a medical procedure for little to no benefit.
Getting a COVID vaccine is the only way you can help someone who is immunocompromised since they can't take it. They have to rely on the rest of us to provide relative herd immunity. Even if you think you have antibodies, getting a vaccine is the best way to make sure, and allows health officials to make informed decisions based on vaccination rates.
Why would you think there's no benefit to preventing painful sickness and death for your neighbors? I have zero tolerance or patience left for fair weather patriots who refuse wear a mask or get a shot because maintaining their political identity is more important than doing their best to make sure a fellow citizen doesn't die alone in a COVID ward. It's a staggering display of cowardice and selfishness.
Grow the fuck up. Wear a mask. Get the shot. It's the very least you can do.