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Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Post by dmode »

eezurr wrote: post #49

There's two sides to every story. And every business/organization has bad apples. Achieving perfection becomes order of magnitudes more expensive the closer you are to achieving it, so some level of acceptance that factors economic cost must be reached. The police are humans too. Knowing people are throwing Molotov Cocktails and bricks at police cars, I wouldn't sit still in my car if people, I mean, a mob (mentality…

So, there you go. This explains it. Police now has the license for whatever because battle formation is needed. That's what they needed to do to pin down George Floyd. Teach others a lesson

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Post by testbot123 »

komali2 wrote: post #74
verdverm wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

are you calmer yet?

Excuse me?

I would not engage with the user "verdverm". They are arguing in bad faith, attempting to put anyone who disagrees with them on the defensive, and attempting to pivot the conversation when they're unable to do so.

Below, I had a similar debate with this person. They attempted to get me on the defensive by turning the conversation to the 2014 murder of police officers in New York, and continually bringing it up as a way to deflect from legitimate claims. They are not interested in any kind of meaningful debate -- they are only interested in inflaming tensions through antagonistic language (e.g., "are you calmer yet?") and getting you to a point where you respond in anger.

Flag and move on.

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Post by mixmastamyk »

awillen wrote: post #44
terakilobyte wrote: post #17

As a veteran this hits me particularly hard. This kind of force goes beyond most uses of force I personally used in Afghanistan and Iraq, actual fighting being the exception. In fact, I’m pretty sure I’d be brought up on charges if we treated nonviolent people the way these videos portray.

It's unbelievable - you'd absolutely be brought up on charges if you used tear gas, which is clearly prohibited during war. Hundreds of tear gas canisters got fired off at US citizens by police last night, though. Insane.

Sounds like a good way to get looters to disperse without further violence. What am I missing?

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Post by dmode »

splintercell wrote: post #38
_xerces_ wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did this come about, is it the consequence of an armed society, or something else unique to Americans?

We have a very armed police because we have a very armed populace, and we have a very armed populace because security is your own responsibility, at least in the rural areas (also notice the urban/rural divide, armed populace is in the rural area, and the crazy police stories are from the urban area). One of the main ways America is so different than Europeans because of its political system. Here we empower rural ar…

This is an amazing response. Thank you. I might also add that income equality in America is at peak, and as COVID laid bare America has no clothes, were most people are 1 Paycheck away from bankruptcy, while billionaires are still winning from the stop market. You need a heavily militarized police force to maintain peace in such an unqeual environment

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Post by verdverm »

onemoresoop wrote: post #22
verdverm wrote: post #12

Are there videos where protesters are beyond acceptable behavior? Rioters? I doubt this is a one way street by any measure. https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/cops-shot-bro... There was some pretty awful things happening on the live streams last night. I'm surprised by how many people streamed themselves committing crimes. Are they ignorant or just dumb? The police just started taking pictures of everyone

How about instigators? Are you aware of white supremacists? I saw a video with a white guy breaking windows with a hammer and protesters chased him away. These tactics have been used before. That is not to say that there aren’t bad actors on each side, there are. I didn’t like the looting but I think its nothing compared to how systematically broken things are. Im white and I do break the law here and there, minor st…

I see you've edited your comment to add colors where I had not. You did claim to be white at the time, is that still the case? I only brought up that I was because you had, but have since removed that statement. Which version (white or not) supports your narrative better? A little disingenuous don't ya think?

I spoke of the broad variety of people involved in a sibling comment, did you consider my comments at large to gain perspective or chose things in isolation to support your world view?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23372896

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Post by komali2 »

verdverm wrote: post #79
komali2 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you, police brutality does upset me.

For black on black crime or police assassinations, in what ways do they make you feel the same or different? Since I cannot reply and you flagged because your world view now has internal doubts and you need time to settle down and contemplate these new thoughts... A police officer killing a black person, is a smaller subset of the racial injustices. For example, why does black on black crime happen, why is it strongl…

Oh, a bad faith, fallacious attempt to change the subject, interesting.

What you doing on this website? When was the last time you engaged in self reflection?

When was the last time you admitted you were wrong?

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Post by anewdirection »

splintercell wrote: post #38
_xerces_ wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did this come about, is it the consequence of an armed society, or something else unique to Americans?

We have a very armed police because we have a very armed populace, and we have a very armed populace because security is your own responsibility, at least in the rural areas (also notice the urban/rural divide, armed populace is in the rural area, and the crazy police stories are from the urban area). One of the main ways America is so different than Europeans because of its political system. Here we empower rural ar…

As a rural in the USA, I see it quite differently. Urban areas are hard left, and rural areas are a smattering of everything. I have never been attacked for my beliefs in rural areas, and yet I have in urban ones. There is a huge divide, but to assert yourself unquestionably on the right side paints how you view your position in the world. Stop demonizing what you don't understand, or you are very much the root of the problem.

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Post by onemoresoop »

verdverm wrote: post #85
onemoresoop wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about instigators? Are you aware of white supremacists? I saw a video with a white guy breaking windows with a hammer and protesters chased him away. These tactics have been used before. That is not to say that there aren’t bad actors on each side, there are. I didn’t like the looting but I think its nothing compared to how systematically broken things are. Im white and I do break the law here and there, minor st…

I see you've edited your comment to add colors where I had not. You did claim to be white at the time, is that still the case? I only brought up that I was because you had, but have since removed that statement. Which version (white or not) supports your narrative better? A little disingenuous don't ya think? I spoke of the broad variety of people involved in a sibling comment, did you consider my comments at large t…

Im white, of Eastern European origin and a US immigrant. Fortunately not very bigoted due to my opennnes to experiences which opened my eyes. I did not add color to my edit but probably corrected some error, i type on my phone and also miss words.

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Post by testbot123 »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #83
awillen wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unbelievable - you'd absolutely be brought up on charges if you used tear gas, which is clearly prohibited during war. Hundreds of tear gas canisters got fired off at US citizens by police last night, though. Insane.

Sounds like a good way to get looters to disperse without further violence. What am I missing?

> “Tear gas is considered a riot control agent because the effects dissipate a short time after exposure,’’ said Kelsey Davenport, director for nonproliferation policy at the Arms Control Association. “But even though the effects of tear gas wear off, its symptoms are harsh and terrifying, including severe eye irritations and difficulty breathing.

> “The United States may justify firing tear gas [...] as legal, but the decision to use an indiscriminate, psychologically terrifying toxic chemical was excessive and certainly immoral."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/11/27/tear-gas-forb...

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Post by verdverm »

komali2 wrote: post #86
verdverm wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For black on black crime or police assassinations, in what ways do they make you feel the same or different? Since I cannot reply and you flagged because your world view now has internal doubts and you need time to settle down and contemplate these new thoughts... A police officer killing a black person, is a smaller subset of the racial injustices. For example, why does black on black crime happen, why is it strongl…

Oh, a bad faith, fallacious attempt to change the subject, interesting. What you doing on this website? When was the last time you engaged in self reflection? When was the last time you admitted you were wrong?

> People are inherently good.

This is on your website under the values section. Do you still believe it?

Are you singling out a group and saying they are different?

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