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Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Post by komali2 »

koheripbal wrote: post #48
srean wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's a tough situation for police Pray explain what is so tough about refraining from shooting tear gas canisters right in the face of an unarmed civilian from distance of few tens of meters ?

Probably the same tough behavior that's preventing rioters from burning down poor immigrant small businesses. Human stupidity and the law of averages.

It would be as easy for the cops as staying home, because that's literally all they have to do to prevent violence in the streets.

https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-proacti...

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Post by kingofpandora »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #55
eezurr wrote: post #49

There's two sides to every story. And every business/organization has bad apples. Achieving perfection becomes order of magnitudes more expensive the closer you are to achieving it, so some level of acceptance that factors economic cost must be reached. The police are humans too. Knowing people are throwing Molotov Cocktails and bricks at police cars, I wouldn't sit still in my car if people, I mean, a mob (mentality…

You know where the expression "bad apples" came from, right? A few bad apples spoil the bunch. In other words, if there are a couple of rotten apples in a barrel, it spreads quickly to the whole barrel. In other words, it's important to find and throw out the bad apples immediately or you'll have to throw out the whole barrel a few days later.

I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone defend police and not use the "bad apples" expression for some reason.

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Post by verdverm »

komali2 wrote: post #70
verdverm wrote: post #25

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Do those of you downvoting me, do you think it's because I think those officers are innocent or something? They are guilty. I also think there are many people using this tragedy as an excuse to commit crime and somehow justify their behavior via a bifurcation of their world view. Are you applying your beliefs about a group (the police in this case) at an individual level or in one broad stroke? Is not the definition…

> excuse to commit crime When cops break the law, and that's what they're doing here, they destroy faith in the justice system, in rule of law. What's crime? Is looting a Target, crime? Sure, according to tons of various laws in the USA, it is. Think about it another way though - there's a pile of food, more food than anybody could possibly eat before it spoils. In fact, lots of it does get thrown away, because it sp…

are you calmer yet?

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Post by komali2 »

verdverm wrote: post #73
komali2 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> excuse to commit crime When cops break the law, and that's what they're doing here, they destroy faith in the justice system, in rule of law. What's crime? Is looting a Target, crime? Sure, according to tons of various laws in the USA, it is. Think about it another way though - there's a pile of food, more food than anybody could possibly eat before it spoils. In fact, lots of it does get thrown away, because it sp…

are you calmer yet?

Excuse me?

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Post by eezurr »

cellularmitosis wrote: post #60
eezurr wrote: post #49

There's two sides to every story. And every business/organization has bad apples. Achieving perfection becomes order of magnitudes more expensive the closer you are to achieving it, so some level of acceptance that factors economic cost must be reached. The police are humans too. Knowing people are throwing Molotov Cocktails and bricks at police cars, I wouldn't sit still in my car if people, I mean, a mob (mentality…

I don't know man, it really doesn't have to be this way. Look at how people respond when authority figures act like human beings: https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1267107339833925634 Imagine if the police showed up and started handing out water bottles, rather than assaulting unarmed (but angry) citizens. I think you'd see a different response. Imagine if the police were trained to remain passive even when struc…

It appears that officer is not talking to a mob, but to dozens of calm people. Different situation. If people are already screaming and shouting, or worse, breaking things, and there are hundreds of them, that wont work.

>Imagine if the police were trained to remain passive even when struck.

Tell me how much it would cost to train a police force to that level of self control, and to be able identify, in a split second, if the person is attempting to do serious harm to you or is just blowing off steam. Once a person is close enough, there are plenty of blind spots to pull a knife out of.

>the crowd would turn on the violent protesters and protect the cops

Crowd psychology overrides individual identity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowd_psychology

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_mentality

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_intelligence

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Post by verdverm »

verdverm wrote: post #73
komali2 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> excuse to commit crime When cops break the law, and that's what they're doing here, they destroy faith in the justice system, in rule of law. What's crime? Is looting a Target, crime? Sure, according to tons of various laws in the USA, it is. Think about it another way though - there's a pile of food, more food than anybody could possibly eat before it spoils. In fact, lots of it does get thrown away, because it sp…

are you calmer yet?

there was a lot of emotion radiating from your writing

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Post by xupybd »

The protests might lead to real change and save lives.

The riots will get people killed and are destroying businesses.

Events like this are as bad as the original event https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/22-arrested-60-l...

If this has deteriorated to an eye for an eye I'm not sure where it will end. I hope things get better before there is more loss of life.

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Post by verdverm »

komali2 wrote: post #77
verdverm wrote: post #76

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there was a lot of emotion radiating from your writing

Thank you, police brutality does upset me.

For black on black crime or police assassinations, in what ways do they make you feel the same or different?

Since I cannot reply and you flagged because your world view now has internal doubts and you need time to settle down and contemplate these new thoughts...

A police officer killing a black person, is a smaller subset of the racial injustices. For example, why does black on black crime happen, why is it strongly geographically correlated to poverty and police brutality, why do we not talk about it when it accounts for more homicides than the police against minorities, how are retaliatory killings for police brutality not related to the discussion?

In what way is asking these questions changing the subject? Is it rather an attempt to enrich the conversation's context to move away from biased and blanket statements?

The answers highly depend on your willingness to open your mind.

Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US

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Post by _y5hn »

onemoresoop wrote: post #53
verdverm wrote: post #42

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Moving abroad / long term travels are the best way to realize we are all the same, have the same basic dreams and desires, that there are bad apples in all walks of life, and is really a great way to lose prejudice, myself a case in point, but most who travel (beyond site seeing) relate this transformation

I absolutely agree with that but this view is limited to a subgroup who can empathise. The reality is in multiple modes, competition and all for oneself’s interests is generally a frequently met philosphy to a quite large subgroup and thats a human nature thing. Only when we all realize that it’s better for all of us if we’re not predominantly ruled by psychopaths and narcisits maybe things will turn around

We will stop glorifying narcissists and psychopathic systems after they make the world burn. Their positive traits turn destructive in excess.

Most people abroad are friendly. Makes one think why we hang on to old conceptions and limited beliefs, and instead meet people "as new".

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