Let’s be very clear, police are assaulting citizens in order to protect capital. Police protect capital not humans.
Slave patrols was another instance of protecting 'capital'.
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm white, I've been in jail (not prison), I've been put to the ground by an officer, I was doing dumb shit when I was a dumb shit. But as soon as you introduce color, aren't you seeing color and preventing the fundamental problem from fading away? You can't force it away, you have to teach it away, right? Do children see color naturally or do we teach them how? Where are they primarily learning this? (I suspect from…
I guess from being treated like dirt and excluded. This can happen to white males too, but is systematic against how people where born and look. If you move abroad, the same can happen to you.
Moving abroad / long term travels are the best way to realize we are all the same, have the same basic dreams and desires, that there are bad apples in all walks of life, and is really a great way to lose prejudice, myself a case in point, but most who travel (beyond site seeing) relate this transformation
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess you get down voted for not blindly becoming outraged at only one side. I'm just not about getting myself that emotional ever.
Looting in one part of city does not excuses violence against demonstration in another part of city. The two sides framing is manipulative and seeks to excuse violence against one group of people by acts of another group.
To what extent is the (non) overlap of the two in [geo,peaceful/looting,intent/instigator] known?
Do you have some sources so we can all have a better understanding?
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#44As a veteran this hits me particularly hard. This kind of force goes beyond most uses of force I personally used in Afghanistan and Iraq, actual fighting being the exception. In fact, I’m pretty sure I’d be brought up on charges if we treated nonviolent people the way these videos portray.
It's unbelievable - you'd absolutely be brought up on charges if you used tear gas, which is clearly prohibited during war.
Hundreds of tear gas canisters got fired off at US citizens by police last night, though.
Insane.
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#45Don't come to my town to burn it down or the law will burn you down.
Re: Caught on camera, police explode in rage and violence across the US
#46As a veteran this hits me particularly hard. This kind of force goes beyond most uses of force I personally used in Afghanistan and Iraq, actual fighting being the exception. In fact, I’m pretty sure I’d be brought up on charges if we treated nonviolent people the way these videos portray.
> ...if we treated nonviolent people the way these videos portray.
A lot of the videos portray violent rioters/looters. A lot of the ones of the police are ambiguous because they don't show what behavior warranted the police reaction.
I've also seen a lot of videos of peaceful protests with police walking/talking/marching with the protesters.
We do justice a disservice when we lump everyone and every precinct together.
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#47It's a tough situation for police too. On one hand, how to you stop those taking advantage of the situation by looting/burning? On the other hand, how do they show tolerance for non-aggressive civil disobedience? Should anyone breaking curfew be subject to rough treatment? Should the police stand idle while people burn and loot? How can peaceful protesters be protected while looters/abusers are using them as shields…
You don't attack non-violent protestors or bystanders. You use proportional violence and only as a last resort. But more importantly, you avoid these kinds of situations by not being an absolutely inhumane and racist police force that should be a disgrace to any nation that calls itself civilized. I do find it fascinating and a bit scary that you can read this article, watch the linked videos, and then come up with a…
If you go to /r/publicfreakout and sort by /rising, you will see LOTS of videos of some rioters being extremely violent.
Two sides to every story.
Peaceful protesters deserve respect and to be heard. Rioters and looters should be dealt with harshly by the law.
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#48It's a tough situation for police too. On one hand, how to you stop those taking advantage of the situation by looting/burning? On the other hand, how do they show tolerance for non-aggressive civil disobedience? Should anyone breaking curfew be subject to rough treatment? Should the police stand idle while people burn and loot? How can peaceful protesters be protected while looters/abusers are using them as shields…
> It's a tough situation for police Pray explain what is so tough about refraining from shooting tear gas canisters right in the face of an unarmed civilian from distance of few tens of meters ?
Probably the same tough behavior that's preventing rioters from burning down poor immigrant small businesses.
Human stupidity and the law of averages.
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#49There's two sides to every story. And every business/organization has bad apples. Achieving perfection becomes order of magnitudes more expensive the closer you are to achieving it, so some level of acceptance that factors economic cost must be reached. The police are humans too. Knowing people are throwing Molotov Cocktails and bricks at police cars, I wouldn't sit still in my car if people, I mean, a mob (mentality) surrounded it. Self preservation.
My theory on why the police need to use some level of brutality is because a mob mentality is an animal. It's an amorphous mammalian manifestation that is afraid of loud noises, pain, and losing it's ability to breath easily. So they use counterpart tools to control it, because when this animal cant be controlled, the whole city could be be razed in flames. (As an example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots#Destruc... )
Im not excusing shitty behavior, but it's worth considering there are millions of events going on in these protests, and all the excess force ones fit in a bullet list on my monitor. Also, in many of the listed events, the cops told people to move away or go back inside repeatedly before taking action. From their perspective, keeping battle formation is necessary to success. And lawfully, you are supposed to comply with this demand.
Just things to consider. I hope I'm not gut-reaction-down voted for taking the middle ground.
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#50There's two sides to every story. And every business/organization has bad apples. Achieving perfection becomes order of magnitudes more expensive the closer you are to achieving it, so some level of acceptance that factors economic cost must be reached. The police are humans too. Knowing people are throwing Molotov Cocktails and bricks at police cars, I wouldn't sit still in my car if people, I mean, a mob (mentality…
The problem is that, by your definition, the police are turning into an animal too. They're supposed to be better than that and work to lower the tension, but instead they react and escalate things. If they can't be better than that, we shouldn't be paying them and giving them guns. And we shouldn't be exempting them from prosecution for their actions.