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Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by makomk »

farresito wrote: post #48
mtgx wrote: post #25

Supporting a proprietary platform on Raspberry Pi kind of defeats the point of the openness on which Raspberry Pi was built, no?

Unfortunately, there are a few parts of RPi that are closed, like the GPU, if I recall correctly, but I do agree with you that it sort of goes against the philosophy of tinkering that openness brings.

The GPU is only partially closed. Unfortunately, the part of the GPU that's closed and requires a binary blob is the bit that boots the Pi, so you have to use closed-source code in order to do anything with the Pi at all - even stuff that doesn't use the GPU.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by kyberias »

tacos wrote: post #22
doomspork wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell if you're making a joke or not.

I really wish I could show about 70% of the Windows knuckleheads a few Linux tools. And I really wish about half of Hacker News would spend twenty minutes with Visual Studio and Azure. Both sides have no idea what is possible. And, no. No joke.

Show the Linux tools. I'm genuinely interested.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by ultramancool »

fsloth wrote: post #61
ultramancool wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, they make okay tools that are extensible enough. Visual Studio is a great example of this. You basically need ReSharper and a hundred other addons to get anything serious done. Just try using VS for C++ development, even the primitive Qt Creator tops it.

I'm left wondering what's the latest Visual Studio version you are familiar with. 2013 and 2015 are becoming pretty good - out of the box. I'm using visual studio nearly daily for C++, nothing wrong with it (except it lacked vim binding for which - there is an extension.)

The lack of basic C++ development features like "go to implementation", "add to header", automatic updating of prototypes or even the most basic refactoring tools like moving definitions, extracting functions, if I'm remembering correctly it didn't even have rename... yeah it drove me away pretty easily.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by rsync »

Yuioup wrote: post #16
tigeba wrote: post #3

When they released this a couple of months ago I was pretty excited to try it out. I think the barrier to installation is a bit high. First install Windows 10, then custom install of VS, install IoT Templates, then about 30 more steps before you get the image to flash on your SD. How about a link to the image I can blast on the SD and kick the tires without a couple hours of downloading and installing prerequisites?

I asked the very same question and got downvoted for it.

Do not discuss your own downvotes.

Do not interrupt the actual discussion to meta-discuss the scoring system.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by [deleted] »

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #46
tigeba wrote: post #3

When they released this a couple of months ago I was pretty excited to try it out. I think the barrier to installation is a bit high. First install Windows 10, then custom install of VS, install IoT Templates, then about 30 more steps before you get the image to flash on your SD. How about a link to the image I can blast on the SD and kick the tires without a couple hours of downloading and installing prerequisites?

Maybe some selfless individual can slog through it all, and then use dd to make an image and post it somewhere (which I am sure violates thousands of pages of EULAs, but would be much more in keeping with how Raspbian etc. are distributed).

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Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by joezydeco »

dougmany wrote: post #68
tacos wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish I could show about 70% of the Windows knuckleheads a few Linux tools. And I really wish about half of Hacker News would spend twenty minutes with Visual Studio and Azure. Both sides have no idea what is possible. And, no. No joke.

I use Visual studio to write c# apps for my day job(love it). My Linux development had been polar opposites of spending days getting a embedded arm toolchain to compile and using vim to make a .c file an typing gcc main.c -o HelloWorld . There is also the whole make file strangeness. Where would you point me to make me like linux development more?

I'd recommend Yocto to build a system and toolchain for your target, but it's insanely painful to do anything beyond building a precooked recipe for a known embedded target.

Installing an ARM toolchain is simple now. Don't build one unless you really need to (or you install Yocto).

    apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by chadzawistowski »

andycross wrote: post #73
preya2k wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not since there is no GUI and regular Windows command line tools won't run out of the box.

It has a gui. It supports headed and headless modes. you're right tho, most tools from win32 won't work.

Headed-mode runs a single XAML app in fullscreen, and there is no taskbar or start menu or anything.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by revelation »

Is the Internet of Things now a Raspberry Pi 2?! A quad-core 900MHz CPU with a whopping 1GiB of RAM and a dedicated GPU?

So, for how long can you run a RPi 2 from a CR2032 cell or an AAA battery? A minute or two on full bore? Because that's the kind of energy budget people are generally talking about when they mean internet of things.

The RPi2 is a fully-featured media center, not a door lock or light switch or power sensor.

I guess the problem for Microsoft with the whole IoT thing is simply that they will never have Windows there, the devices you actually use for IoT measure their RAM in KiB. And, frankly, operating systems are very far down the on list of things we need to make IoT a reality.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

elchief wrote: post #60
intrasight wrote: post #19

I just don't get why they would put up a barrier to entry by requiring Windows 10 - at least I can't think of any technical rationale.

probably for the same reason that Apple requires you to own a mac to build an iPhone app

Except that OS X and iOS are both Apple environments for Apple hardware, while the Pi is an independent hardware product.

So no - there is no good reason for making Win 10 essential, beyond corporate dementia.

Seriously. Why on Earth does MS seem to think there's going to be a stampede to install an OS that doesn't do anything outstandingly special, has a high cost of entry (in time and effort, if you don't want Win 10) and is already competing with a good few established contenders?

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by jabits »

hamburglar wrote: post #71
free652 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>A PC running Windows 10 (Prepared in the previous step) That requirement itself is a big step: http://ms-iot.github.io/content/en-US/win10/SetupPCRPI.htm

Especially considering my 8.1 -> 10 upgrade has failed spectacularly several times. I'm not going and buying 10 at retail to try this shit out.

Right on topic...
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