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Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by fsloth »

ultramancool wrote: post #36
thenewwazoo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not. MS makes really, really killer tools.

Not really, they make okay tools that are extensible enough. Visual Studio is a great example of this. You basically need ReSharper and a hundred other addons to get anything serious done. Just try using VS for C++ development, even the primitive Qt Creator tops it.

I'm left wondering what's the latest Visual Studio version you are familiar with. 2013 and 2015 are becoming pretty good - out of the box.

I'm using visual studio nearly daily for C++, nothing wrong with it (except it lacked vim binding for which - there is an extension.)

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by blackbeard »

tacos wrote: post #22
doomspork wrote: post #12

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I can't tell if you're making a joke or not.

I really wish I could show about 70% of the Windows knuckleheads a few Linux tools. And I really wish about half of Hacker News would spend twenty minutes with Visual Studio and Azure. Both sides have no idea what is possible. And, no. No joke.

I use both. The friction is way lower on the Linux side of things. Sure you can knock up a 50 line powershell script to thing X but if you do it in 97 lines of python it takes less time because you didn't have to download a later version of management tooling which then required a reboot followed by half an hour arguing with script signing followed by an hour of trying to scan through KB articles to work out why your PS script didn't run in task scheduler only to find it was an obscure compatibility flag followed by it failing after two days because a CIFS share suddenly went offline...

And today visual studio 2013 crashed on me a relatively low 11 times...

Oh and I had to fix a script that tried to deploy sql server instances and pretty much entirely fucked up my workstation.

This is every day when your product gets large.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by eplanit »

s73v3r wrote: post #32
tigeba wrote: post #3

When they released this a couple of months ago I was pretty excited to try it out. I think the barrier to installation is a bit high. First install Windows 10, then custom install of VS, install IoT Templates, then about 30 more steps before you get the image to flash on your SD. How about a link to the image I can blast on the SD and kick the tires without a couple hours of downloading and installing prerequisites?

Agreed. There is absolutely no excuse for having all that crap to go through.

> There is absolutely no excuse for having all that crap to go through.

I agree, too -- and this phrase has been on the minds of people while installing Microsoft products for decades now. It's in their DNA somehow, it seems.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by TD-Linux »

doomspork wrote: post #13

Next on the list of bad IoT ideas, we port Flash to the Raspberry Pi.

Or even worse, use Flash for a car instrument cluster. Oh wait, that's already been done: https://www.adobe.com/inspire-archive/june2010/articles/arti...

(used by a lot of Ford cars)

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by joshuapants »

Jedd wrote: post #39
joshuapants wrote: post #29

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The Raspberry Pi may be openwashed, but it's not really that open. edit: oh no, I've run afoul of the Broadcom shills. Oh well.

True assessment or not, it's not a compelling reason in itself to encourage less free use(r)s of it.

Beg pardon? The parent post was whining that running Windows wasn't in the open spirit of the project. The project was never open in a meaningful way, so it doesn't seem like a problem at all to do so.

I'm not encouraging any particular software package, simply correcting a misconception.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

ultramancool wrote: post #45
thenewwazoo wrote: post #43

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I used VS for C++ development professionally, and thought it was really great. Still do, in fact. I still haven't ever used anything that has a smooth and tightly-integrated edit-build-run-debug cycle. MS' documentation is (and always has been) top-notch, and hopping from code to doc and back again is easy enough to be fun. The platform sucks, of course, but if I could run MSVC++ on Linux, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I do too, but I also use Qt Creator and Eclipse for writing C++ on RTOSes and I really don't think VS is anything special. I will agree with you about the documentation, with few exceptions MS documentation is some of the best written. But this is far from something that should prevent a platform swap. The piss poor code editing tools in VC++ irk me more than anything, I have to say that I feel like it's the worst of…

* this is far from something that should prevent a platform swap*

When I started Android development, the quality of documentation was so far below what I was used to from Microsoft that it hurt. If not for StackOverflow I would probably have given up and switched to Microsoft's mobile platform.

Besides that, I'm not impressed by IntelliJ. Not even a little bit. I am however, vastly impressed by Visual Studio and all the IDE's that are based on it.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by jpablo »

ultramancool wrote: post #45
thenewwazoo wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used VS for C++ development professionally, and thought it was really great. Still do, in fact. I still haven't ever used anything that has a smooth and tightly-integrated edit-build-run-debug cycle. MS' documentation is (and always has been) top-notch, and hopping from code to doc and back again is easy enough to be fun. The platform sucks, of course, but if I could run MSVC++ on Linux, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I do too, but I also use Qt Creator and Eclipse for writing C++ on RTOSes and I really don't think VS is anything special. I will agree with you about the documentation, with few exceptions MS documentation is some of the best written. But this is far from something that should prevent a platform swap. The piss poor code editing tools in VC++ irk me more than anything, I have to say that I feel like it's the worst of…

I'll disagree there. After spending hours trying to make sense of the Win32 API documentation in msdn. Often failing to make sense of it, finding the answer in Raymond Chen blog a long with a few lines pointing out that the msdn documentation doesn't cover some important cases/caveats.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by dougmany »

tacos wrote: post #22
doomspork wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell if you're making a joke or not.

I really wish I could show about 70% of the Windows knuckleheads a few Linux tools. And I really wish about half of Hacker News would spend twenty minutes with Visual Studio and Azure. Both sides have no idea what is possible. And, no. No joke.

I use Visual studio to write c# apps for my day job(love it). My Linux development had been polar opposites of spending days getting a embedded arm toolchain to compile and using vim to make a .c file an typing gcc main.c -o HelloWorld. There is also the whole make file strangeness. Where would you point me to make me like linux development more?

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Post by ultramancool »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #66
ultramancool wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do too, but I also use Qt Creator and Eclipse for writing C++ on RTOSes and I really don't think VS is anything special. I will agree with you about the documentation, with few exceptions MS documentation is some of the best written. But this is far from something that should prevent a platform swap. The piss poor code editing tools in VC++ irk me more than anything, I have to say that I feel like it's the worst of…

* this is far from something that should prevent a platform swap* When I started Android development, the quality of documentation was so far below what I was used to from Microsoft that it hurt. If not for StackOverflow I would probably have given up and switched to Microsoft's mobile platform. Besides that, I'm not impressed by IntelliJ. Not even a little bit. I am however, vastly impressed by Visual Studio and all…

The Android docs and Java docs are actually quite good though IMO. Is there somewhere in particular you felt they were lacking?

You want to see some poorly documented stuff, check out BouncyCastle's "lightweight API" or OpenSceneGraph. Great libraries, but figuring them out is a serious investment.

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