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Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Not. MS makes really, really killer tools.

Not really, they make okay tools that are extensible enough. Visual Studio is a great example of this. You basically need ReSharper and a hundred other addons to get anything serious done. Just try using VS for C++ development, even the primitive Qt Creator tops it.

I imagine you never used VC++ debugger...

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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post #41

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Not really, they make okay tools that are extensible enough. Visual Studio is a great example of this. You basically need ReSharper and a hundred other addons to get anything serious done. Just try using VS for C++ development, even the primitive Qt Creator tops it.

I imagine you never used VC++ debugger...

I have quite regularly, but I'm just as comfortable in that of Eclipse, Qt Creator, gdb, or even binary debuggers like IDA's or OllyDbg for reverse engineering. I don't see it as a major advantage over any other platform. It's a simple GUI debugger, nothing fancy.

Am I missing something?

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Not. MS makes really, really killer tools.

Not really, they make okay tools that are extensible enough. Visual Studio is a great example of this. You basically need ReSharper and a hundred other addons to get anything serious done. Just try using VS for C++ development, even the primitive Qt Creator tops it.

I used VS for C++ development professionally, and thought it was really great. Still do, in fact. I still haven't ever used anything that has a smooth and tightly-integrated edit-build-run-debug cycle. MS' documentation is (and always has been) top-notch, and hopping from code to doc and back again is easy enough to be fun. The platform sucks, of course, but if I could run MSVC++ on Linux, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Not really, they make okay tools that are extensible enough. Visual Studio is a great example of this. You basically need ReSharper and a hundred other addons to get anything serious done. Just try using VS for C++ development, even the primitive Qt Creator tops it.

I used VS for C++ development professionally, and thought it was really great. Still do, in fact. I still haven't ever used anything that has a smooth and tightly-integrated edit-build-run-debug cycle. MS' documentation is (and always has been) top-notch, and hopping from code to doc and back again is easy enough to be fun. The platform sucks, of course, but if I could run MSVC++ on Linux, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I do too, but I also use Qt Creator and Eclipse for writing C++ on RTOSes and I really don't think VS is anything special.

I will agree with you about the documentation, with few exceptions MS documentation is some of the best written. But this is far from something that should prevent a platform swap.

The piss poor code editing tools in VC++ irk me more than anything, I have to say that I feel like it's the worst of these platforms. Resharper for C++ is coming though, so maybe that'll change my mind.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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When they released this a couple of months ago I was pretty excited to try it out. I think the barrier to installation is a bit high. First install Windows 10, then custom install of VS, install IoT Templates, then about 30 more steps before you get the image to flash on your SD. How about a link to the image I can blast on the SD and kick the tires without a couple hours of downloading and installing prerequisites?

Maybe some selfless individual can slog through it all, and then use dd to make an image and post it somewhere (which I am sure violates thousands of pages of EULAs, but would be much more in keeping with how Raspbian etc. are distributed).

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Sorry, silly question: can one use this Win10 R-pi as a "real computer"? (more to the point: I want to run labview programs on this r-pi, because of its small size/cost -- give/receive triggers various home automation equipment etc., I'm wondering if that'll be possible with this)

Probably not since there is no GUI and regular Windows command line tools won't run out of the box.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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Supporting a proprietary platform on Raspberry Pi kind of defeats the point of the openness on which Raspberry Pi was built, no?

Unfortunately, there are a few parts of RPi that are closed, like the GPU, if I recall correctly, but I do agree with you that it sort of goes against the philosophy of tinkering that openness brings.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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post #37

Sorry, silly question: can one use this Win10 R-pi as a "real computer"? (more to the point: I want to run labview programs on this r-pi, because of its small size/cost -- give/receive triggers various home automation equipment etc., I'm wondering if that'll be possible with this)

No, this will not work as a regular desktop Windows. It's more of an embedded Windows install.

Re: Windows 10 IoT Core for Raspberry Pi 2

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I can't tell if you're making a joke or not.

I really wish I could show about 70% of the Windows knuckleheads a few Linux tools. And I really wish about half of Hacker News would spend twenty minutes with Visual Studio and Azure. Both sides have no idea what is possible. And, no. No joke.

I think the number of people who have used both is quite large. The people who know the ups and downs of both systems just don't post that the other system has bad tools, so they're not in the conversation.
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